In india, the false accusation data is 53.3%

this is why the dilution of the term rape is very dangerous

@Jes The 8% is where the courts report to the FBI that the allegation turned out to be provably false.

And this is according to the National Women's commission

ahh, ty for clarifying

That is, they were provided largely irrefutable evidence that the circumstances of the allegation could not have taken place as alleged.

So when the accuser was obviously lying and given time and opportunity by the cops to admit to having lied wouldnt be in the 8%.

whats the penalty for false accusation? same as pergery?

i.e. you were known to have not been in the country at the time of the alleged incident, your dick has been surgically removed, the rape is alleged to have occurred at the top of a ladder, but you are quadriplegic, etc.

becouse no court would be involved in the first place

@Jes a false accusation is not necessarily a malicious accusation, proving the latter is considerably more effort.

@Jes depends. But in reality, its rarely prosecuted

sheeet

good point. need evidence its malitious

@Jes You end up needing to prove that the accuser intended to mislead the prosecutor, rather than merely being mistaken.

what if the rape never happeed?

And cops do try to get false accusers to admit to the false accusations which would then not even be part of those 8%.

There are probably ways to prove that, but that seems like a lot of work.

I'm sure some prosecutors sometimes try.

so if i say xorgy raped me and it was Punks is one thing. if i was never raped however thats false completly

Sorta

even that would need to be established

so the 1st its hard to prove malice, but the latter it clearly is as there was no rape

Kinda hard to prove that you've never been raped.

it doesn't exactly leave physical evidence in all cases.

and by then it would be impossible to gather

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CybGo6hALVo

do you think its unjust to say no medical exam no crime?

Which of course also makes it hard to prove in the first place.

Anyone discussing false rape should put 36 minutes aside to watch that.

Or listen, rather.

hmm? well I'm just saying that it's hard to establish things fairly

and by that i mean if you dont get an exam you cant report it

I'd say that if motive and opportunity are present, and the accusations made are proven false, then you have some chance.

or at least the police wont investigate

Not sure what prosecutors' attitude is toward pressing charges like that.

Well, without exam there might be eye witnesses

well it has to be investigated before it gets to a prosecutor

there may be circumstances which make the exam impracticable

it is more complicated than that.

but why wouldnt you get one?

Because you are a child, or because you were held captive long enough for one not to be applicable

there are tonnes of reasons why

I was a victim of childhood sexual abuse, a diverse body of testimony was enough to get a conviction.

Granted, the sentence was very short because the evidence was not so great, which is understandable.

what?

either guilty or innocent

evidence shouldnt affect the sentance

there was enough for a conviction or there wasnt

Well, it's a matter of what subset of the charges were proven.

or considered proven, I should say.

ahh i see

like proving manslaughter vs murder

right

i mistook what you meant

establishing the margin for error in testimony is important, etc.

to be clear, I'm of the opinion that the west is far to soft on suxual assaulters

should be comparable to manslaughter

like, 10 years +

I don't think so personally.

some people never get over it

hello how does it go?

Well, _rape_ vs. _negligent manslaughter_ maybe.

@Jes Nobody ever gets over being manslaughtered.

exactly

some people get over sexual assault

so the sentence should be similar

I think it's likely that mine will affect me for the rest of my life, but I am _alive_.

Turns out when you’re dead it’s much harder to kill the person who murdered you

im of the 2 brick castration for rapists school of thought

Though I perfectly understand your opinion on this.

2 bricks is generous

How about 5

as in smash 2 bricks together on their junk

Most of the people who hear my story say that they have a personal compulsion to murder my abuser.

if you were a kid i'd agree

killing the innocence of a child

Yeah, I'd probably understand better if I'd had any.

honestly, thats the worst type of crime in my mind

I agree in some sense, there is certainly something missing from me which I am likely never to get back.

But again, I am alive.

If penalties for this should be greater, then so should penalties for manslaughter, murder, and the more heinous forms of fraud.

Fraud can easily have a greater negative impact on your life than a sexual assault.

Stunad

What you're effectively doing when you defraud somebody, is stealing years from their life

you could think of it as partially killing somebody.

Well then why aren't all the bankers getting crushed for usury?

going by productivity, defrauding somebody such that they lose ~60% of networth in their 40s is kinda like killing half of them.

Well, if you're speaking about the 2008 financial incident

thats a fair comparison

if you tried to prosecute those people much more, it'd become obvious to anyone who is paying attention that they were _forced_ to take on the risk which made their debts usurious by the federal government.

The one that is only partly the Banks fault? The one that had causation in the banks being forced by the democrats to take on bad loans because MUH RACISM?

MUH RAYSIST ACTUARY TABLE

nah i just mean like usury in general. how can any country pay back 1% of money if we only have the money we were given. inflation?

wat?

but isnt that just hot air

Who exactly are you accusing of usury?

anyone who practices it. predatory loans are abundant no?

Like what?

I mean, some loans are really shitty, but at some point it becomes the borrower's fault.