We're just acting on social impulse.

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oh kk u were reffering to my point

If you need a defintion for the soul you can always go to one of the good sources like Neoplatonism

Contemplating our navel has no real value.

because i mean what worth is intellectual masturbation

if theres nothing to apply it to

i find art is the best example

because in that case

Consciousness or not, our mammal social instincts play out the same way.

contemplating our navels as u put it

acutally has tangible real world results

The result being building and building and building on top of the earth.

alot of people use art as a means to jsutify the existence of divinity

Reforming the planet in our image.

but thats just them defining the edge of their perception

wether the edge of your percetion has a name or not

it by definition cant be perceived

and comes to the same end either way in the practical world

That is a question that could totally be avoided and you'd be better off for it.

well thats the thing

Finding an excuse for you existing isn't inherently valuable.

i have no problem with people labeling it or not

but the idea of a label for it is an abstract concept

XD oh boy

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well sorry man dont leave ur suicide note in here then bud

That's the thing.

because it is the exact reason how a foundational value structure can even exist

in an abstract sense

whatever trick your brain plays on you

Why would I want to SD?

theres always going to be another reason and another reason and another reason

Accomplishment in the social sphere feels viscerally rewarding.

We can just be happy chasing lower brain functions.

the foundation however small is what our entire existence is made up of

And it does our psychology more good than philosophy.

that foundation has to be built at the edges of our percetion too

Foundation isn't necessary at all.

or else theres no mechanism by which we are even sentient

Or animals wouldn't be able to function.

well obviousley

ohh boy

animals jsut have a different edge of percetion

so their value while based more on primal lower cognitive funtion

still exists

Yes.

and actually is way more simple to come about

in a way that you cant disprove

Animals live in a lower world to humans and have less ability to escape Samsara

unless youre going to tell me animals dont need food

or water

the idea of having a full life is that youre building on that foundation

But our recent adaptations are like duct tape. While our lower brain is a solid base.

that is built on teh edge of your perception

that wiiide wide wide space is where value exists

albeit in a metaphysical sense

it makes it that beleiveing in a god in a pragmatic sense is the same as not beliving in a god

Higher brain stuff just seems like flavoring to lower brain drives to me.

and just ends up being intellectual jerking off

So abstraction is basically just aesthetic.

BUT with no real world outcome

well like i said

there are tangible things we can abstract over

which brings me back to the point i was trying to make about god

abstracting about something past our perceptual reality is essentially aesthetic

its liek saying

how ami decorating the foundation of my house

well fuck nobodies gonna see that shit cuz its underground

I think we were talking about two different things at the same time and our points just converged in a hamfisted way.

and who cares if ur foundations painted red or blue

if you cant even see it

Part of a classical liberal arts education is a study of aesthetics

also makes trying to paint it really fucking dumb

yes but in tangible ways

hence the art example i gave earlier

lol and dont get me wrong im not saying aesthetics is useless in a pragmatic way

i mean fuck im a musician lol

Same

so maybe that makes me biased saying its not useless

Well. So am I and I believe what I believe.

Sigh.

Back to the main topic.

Who wants us to move to this authoritarian liberal paradigm?

What is pushing us towards it and to what end?

Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God

And how practical is it to avoid?

You can't control the world, you can just control yourself

Sounds like a cop out.

You can fight back

Obviously people are changing the world at an alarming rate.

Yeah, rich people

So finding a mechanism that breaks their process apart is vital.

You win by being informed, and informing others

What can stop or corrupt this strategy of extreme dissemination of paralyzing ideology?

there's only one cure for progressiveism

essentialism

It is very cancer like in how it just takes over existing structures and copies itself using the structure as a base.

understanding that things are the way that they are and it is foolish to demand nature change to your whims