because i mean what worth is intellectual masturbation

if theres nothing to apply it to

i find art is the best example

because in that case

Consciousness or not, our mammal social instincts play out the same way.

contemplating our navels as u put it

acutally has tangible real world results

The result being building and building and building on top of the earth.

alot of people use art as a means to jsutify the existence of divinity

Reforming the planet in our image.

but thats just them defining the edge of their perception

wether the edge of your percetion has a name or not

it by definition cant be perceived

and comes to the same end either way in the practical world

That is a question that could totally be avoided and you'd be better off for it.

well thats the thing

Finding an excuse for you existing isn't inherently valuable.

i have no problem with people labeling it or not

but the idea of a label for it is an abstract concept

XD oh boy

🤔

well sorry man dont leave ur suicide note in here then bud

That's the thing.

because it is the exact reason how a foundational value structure can even exist

in an abstract sense

whatever trick your brain plays on you

Why would I want to SD?

theres always going to be another reason and another reason and another reason

Accomplishment in the social sphere feels viscerally rewarding.

We can just be happy chasing lower brain functions.

the foundation however small is what our entire existence is made up of

And it does our psychology more good than philosophy.

that foundation has to be built at the edges of our percetion too

Foundation isn't necessary at all.

or else theres no mechanism by which we are even sentient

Or animals wouldn't be able to function.

well obviousley

ohh boy

animals jsut have a different edge of percetion

so their value while based more on primal lower cognitive funtion

still exists