why not base value in things you can perceive

And we just shit all over the planet acting with our ape brains, but are high on this accidental unprecedented capacity for abstraction.

the general idea being that while for a long time

Honestly, I'd prefer us dead.

a sort of cookie cutter template for value has worked

Before we bring imperialism to space.

we actually have the privlege of having access for the meantime an actual mechanism for determining the own value in our lives

through tangible hands on methods

That is a red herring.

Why would we want that?

to give our lives real meaning

No way.

It does no such thing.

oh u mean the space imperialism thing

no i agree thats not the best idea

We're just acting on social impulse.

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oh kk u were reffering to my point

If you need a defintion for the soul you can always go to one of the good sources like Neoplatonism

Contemplating our navel has no real value.

because i mean what worth is intellectual masturbation

if theres nothing to apply it to

i find art is the best example

because in that case

Consciousness or not, our mammal social instincts play out the same way.

contemplating our navels as u put it

acutally has tangible real world results

The result being building and building and building on top of the earth.

alot of people use art as a means to jsutify the existence of divinity

Reforming the planet in our image.

but thats just them defining the edge of their perception

wether the edge of your percetion has a name or not

it by definition cant be perceived

and comes to the same end either way in the practical world

That is a question that could totally be avoided and you'd be better off for it.

well thats the thing

Finding an excuse for you existing isn't inherently valuable.

i have no problem with people labeling it or not

but the idea of a label for it is an abstract concept

XD oh boy