Yea

the promise of free things will always be more popular than personal responsibility and dangerous freedoms

That’s partly why I’ve never voted libertarian

The problem with libertarians is these socialists coming into the party pretending to be “social libertarians”

That too

In answer to your question. about the DSA: https://www.dsausa.org/

when parties first formed there were no '3rd parties' the two party system really didn't start taking effect until around Lincoln era

the problem is that a 3rd party vote is largely considered to be a wasted vote, so if you're absolutely terrified of one candidate (hillary) winning, you absolutely have to vote for the only other candidate that can win, or else you effectively didn't vote

DSA unironically has a symbol similar to IngSoc

Fun to create things that ain't happening

Listen, you either vote for the blue dildo, or you vote for the red dildo. Which one do you want shoved up your ass this November

I think we've heard the dynamics of parties many times.

if you can vote for your top 5 candidates in order, you can list off every single candidate in the order that you like them

But Arrow's paradox ensures some kind of bad outcome no matter how you do it.

Rank voting more like gay voting

All voting is gay because democracy is gay

and if your first choice doesn't win, your vote moves to your second choice

Just get a job

but you still got to vote for who you wanted

Getting third parties in is much easier for state government and congress than executive offices

instead of voting against who you were afraid of

IDK, when I voted in a ranked choice election it resulted in really boring nonsense from the candidates.

The only reform candidate was basically given the boot.

Nice

remember to vote super hard this time

really boring nonsense is the norm for politics

@Tohob thats the way it should be

Yeah, grip your pencil extra hard at the voting booth

In no way should we do block voting though

furious voting

If you scribble in the name you want hard enough, you just might have a better life tomorrow

lol

Like watching Vee video on Romanian voting infuriated me

Everything will be magically better the harder you scribble

In Romania you vote the party not the candidate and that shits baaaad

_scribbles furiously_

@Lagomaster24 link? or summary of what happened. I'm curious.

One moment away from computer

You know what’s more productive to leading a better life than furiously scribbling in 1 candidate. Furiously scribbling in 10 candidates, in rank order, per position.

lol

https://youtu.be/wZxnIvTKogU

honestly i don't think trump or hillary would have won if we had that system

like, damn they're both so unpopular

Oh no trust me, Americans would’ve scribbled in something *way* better

you need to vote for a different voting system by using the old voting system

@pratel check the vid

but they're so unpopular that whichever one you hate the most, you HAVE to vote for the other one, because realistically nobody else could have won

I have high hopes and trust that given a different scribbling in system, Americans would’ve been smarter

lmao

Deez nuts and harambe were write ins

Reminder

and if you don't the other one will win, and then when they do, people screaming at the sky because trump won happens

Voting is dumb because the society is dumb

(followed by ~~4~~ 8 years of absolute political shitstorm)

It’s why we have the electoral college

Doesn’t matter how fancy you make the system the people at the ballot are still idiots

Electoral college was made to prevent tyranny of the majority

Look, the only thing the president does is set the “political mood.” Congress and senate are still out here actually writing the laws

Yes. And to balance power between the large cities and the rural counties. The large states and the small states.

Yea Congress doesn’t get nearly enough attention or scrutiny

If it weren't for the electoral college, the country as a whole would be just like NY or Illinois.

The same shit keeps going on regardless of who’s the “big man wearing the pants”

The major key city dictates the politics and everyone else suffers.

Yeah it’s not our fault cities are overpopulated

Yep that and both the New Jersey and Virginia Plans which establishes how Congresses seats work

If they wanted a bigger political voice they should move out

Funny story. One of the constraints placed on Gerrymandering was to try and gerrymander in support of minority votes.

Following similar logic as the electoral college.

see gerrymandering im opposed too

You'll never get around it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYdOoQcVs_c&t=49s

"Independent commissions" gerrymander just as hard as the politicians.

its how its done

i wont deny that its always going to exist to some degree but if we can limit it

People also forget that State politics are a thing. And they're a thing for a reason.

The Feds are supposed to respect the will of the states too.

yea

I have yet to hear a proposal that would really limit gerrymandering without creating potentially worse problems.

States get EVEN LESS attention than Congress

"Neutral algorithms" are never neutral.

i think its about what grounds they are done on

Transparent, maybe. But the the uni professors making the proposals and algorithms are very much weighing who wins under their proporsals.

i mean my States districts can be really weird

Most are.

What about Geographic?

elaborate?

Draw district lines based on geography

That's easier said than done.

For one thing, which creek do you pick? move it over a couple blocks and you can change the result.

Also, you rarely have clean geographic boundaries.

like dont split islands and peninsula's in half

vertically

But what if that makes sense?

Because there are two distinct communities on the island.

Or there's alot of people on the island to where you'd want them multiple electors.

And if the island is flat...

Im on a Peninsula thats cut vertically and even splits entire counties voting blocks

like if i cross the street im in another district

going east or west

not north or south

Maryland and Rhode Island?