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2017-11-11 04:43:33 UTC

there's a black basketball player named Henry Walker, so it could be

2017-11-11 04:44:31 UTC

and he didn't just slip on a watermelon, he got his foot stuck in a pallet while reaching for a watermelon. Climbing on the wood pallet to get the best watermelon sounds like nog behavior

2017-11-11 04:50:20 UTC

@Major (AL) we need more anti-intellectualism around here

2017-11-11 04:52:50 UTC

True.

2017-11-11 04:53:03 UTC

We need the best of 1.0 and 2.0.

2017-11-11 04:53:13 UTC

Not just either or.

2017-11-11 04:54:26 UTC

A lot of the PR cucks are people who looked at those old 40s propaganda films with aristocratic generals with a monocle and a crystal glass of wine talking with an overt prussian accent, and they thought "wow, that's what I want to be".

2017-11-11 05:05:59 UTC

so

2017-11-11 05:06:04 UTC

i tried to redpill a boomer tonight

2017-11-11 05:06:25 UTC

Not a good idea, generally

2017-11-11 05:06:34 UTC

could not bridge the gap between how being pc is wrong and how the left is responsible for it

2017-11-11 05:06:43 UTC

yea

2017-11-11 05:06:49 UTC

and he was a leftists boomer, at that

2017-11-11 05:07:10 UTC

but he agreed about how pc is bullshit and rape culture is made up

2017-11-11 05:07:15 UTC

ahahahaha

2017-11-11 05:07:47 UTC

Boomer sounds kinda retarded if he can't see how the left started PC

2017-11-11 05:07:48 UTC

wait

2017-11-11 05:07:56 UTC

was she a kike

2017-11-11 05:08:16 UTC

more likely an asian

2017-11-11 05:08:20 UTC

oh

2017-11-11 05:08:24 UTC

that's too bad

2017-11-11 05:08:34 UTC

asians are okay to have as toys

2017-11-11 05:08:42 UTC

given the IE demographics

2017-11-11 05:08:56 UTC

ahahahaha Identity Evropa are fags

2017-11-11 05:08:58 UTC

though a kike is still possible

2017-11-11 05:09:15 UTC

cannot fuck kikes due to possibility of offspring

2017-11-11 05:09:33 UTC

of course

2017-11-11 05:09:37 UTC

even with Khazar milkers

2017-11-11 05:09:53 UTC

HOLY FUCK

2017-11-11 05:10:14 UTC

i just googled Khazar Milkers

2017-11-11 05:10:35 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/274535531927568384/378773483909545987/C4L7DYjUEAAX7kY.jpg

2017-11-11 05:11:50 UTC

lol

2017-11-11 05:13:20 UTC

yea but this girl I used to know comes up as like the first result

2017-11-11 05:13:48 UTC

(((Ashley Rae Goldenberg)))

2017-11-11 05:14:16 UTC

Ah, Ashley Rae

2017-11-11 05:14:27 UTC

Better known as Communism Shills

2017-11-11 05:14:31 UTC

ya

2017-11-11 05:15:04 UTC

aka

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/274535531927568384/378774608339271681/1387296880394.jpg

2017-11-11 05:17:28 UTC

also in those google search results

2017-11-11 05:17:54 UTC

👀

2017-11-11 05:17:54 UTC

are a lot of photos of Mike Enoch

2017-11-11 05:17:57 UTC

I'd still hit it tbh

2017-11-11 05:18:17 UTC

Not really, but the temptation is strong

2017-11-11 05:18:36 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/274535531927568384/378775501604519941/Cl5w-TWUgAA-ybJ.jpg

2017-11-11 05:18:39 UTC

@Mr. Hughes his JEWISH WIFE didn't even have khazar milkers tbh

2017-11-11 05:18:49 UTC

it would make it almost understandable if she did

2017-11-11 05:19:10 UTC

eh they got married before he knew there even was a JQ

2017-11-11 05:19:17 UTC

not an argument

2017-11-11 05:19:36 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/274535531927568384/378775749877825536/1484460564693.png

2017-11-11 05:19:53 UTC

and I can understand not wanting to divorce your wife

2017-11-11 05:20:01 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/274535531927568384/378775856987766785/1484667268516-2.png

2017-11-11 05:20:06 UTC

>when somebody makes a post critical of miscegenation on your forum and you get to delete it

2017-11-11 05:20:14 UTC

>nose

2017-11-11 05:20:14 UTC

OY

2017-11-11 05:20:20 UTC

VEY

2017-11-11 05:20:40 UTC

nah I mean

2017-11-11 05:21:11 UTC

well

2017-11-11 05:21:14 UTC

that I'd divorce

2017-11-11 05:21:36 UTC

Hell, I would have just separated

2017-11-11 05:21:44 UTC

imagine trying to divorce a Jewish woman in Jew York City

2017-11-11 05:21:58 UTC

ha

2017-11-11 05:22:03 UTC

but he didn't, and instead, he chose to even involve her with the podcast

2017-11-11 05:22:03 UTC

they are separated

2017-11-11 05:22:17 UTC

ANYWAY i just thot the photo was funny

2017-11-11 05:22:28 UTC

Kike Penisbitch photos are always funny

2017-11-11 05:23:26 UTC

=[

2017-11-11 05:23:42 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/274535531927568384/378776784746971136/trs_comic.png

2017-11-11 05:24:21 UTC

Ah, the days when TRS tried to shill on 8/pol/ and got sent packing

2017-11-11 05:24:27 UTC

and that was BEFORE the Yidwife Crisis

2017-11-11 05:24:35 UTC

anons could sense that something was up

2017-11-11 05:24:41 UTC

lol I rememebr that

2017-11-11 05:24:46 UTC

and the one thing you never, ever do, is shill on 8/pol/

2017-11-11 05:24:50 UTC

because they hold long grudges

2017-11-11 05:25:22 UTC

they didn't do the dox on Enoch, as much as Morracow would like to blame "antifachan", but they did do the digging after he got doxed

2017-11-11 05:25:37 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/274535531927568384/378777265149968396/trs_dc.png

2017-11-11 05:25:45 UTC

old memes

2017-11-11 05:25:47 UTC

wasn't it /baph/?

2017-11-11 05:26:00 UTC

I saw it on /pol/ first, it might have been /baph/

2017-11-11 05:26:04 UTC

Are you guys calling Mike Enoch a jew?

2017-11-11 05:26:06 UTC

I know /baph/ did Ghoul

2017-11-11 05:26:35 UTC

@Hand Banana no, that would be purity spiraling

2017-11-11 05:26:36 UTC

ah, right

2017-11-11 05:26:53 UTC

and no, Enoch isn't a jew

2017-11-11 05:27:00 UTC

Well I thought you were based on your conversation

2017-11-11 05:27:00 UTC

He's Norwegian, goy

2017-11-11 05:27:07 UTC

trust us

2017-11-11 05:27:07 UTC

i just liked the photo

2017-11-11 05:27:19 UTC

then everyone took it to a whole nuva level

2017-11-11 05:27:19 UTC

it's not like he's ever concealed Jewish things from anyone before

2017-11-11 05:27:20 UTC

and he's not a leader, either. But he's great as an entertainer and podcast host

2017-11-11 05:27:28 UTC

in fact, I'm a enochuck

2017-11-11 05:27:37 UTC

@The Inquisitor [☧] Haven't I bounced you from this server for this like twice before?

2017-11-11 05:27:42 UTC

No?

2017-11-11 05:28:11 UTC

I've been in here ever since I joined up to stay in communication at SVille

2017-11-11 05:28:40 UTC

I think I got the invite just after we fled the bar, come to think of it

2017-11-11 05:29:09 UTC

I'll turn off the TRSposting if you want

2017-11-11 05:29:34 UTC

was just going through my screencap folder and remininscing about old times

2017-11-11 05:29:46 UTC

What does insinuating that a white advocate who has dedicated his life and reputation for the cause is a Jew do that is positive for the movement?

2017-11-11 05:29:58 UTC

May I give an honest answer?

2017-11-11 05:31:09 UTC

do it

2017-11-11 05:32:33 UTC

Simply put, I believe that Mike Enoch's conduct concerning his wife shows that he is not an honest individual, and should not be involved with White Nationalism. Furthermore, he is treated as a celebrity figure, when that is the LAST thing that should be happening. He sets an incredibly poor example for everyone.

2017-11-11 05:33:07 UTC

And that's where I'll leave it.

2017-11-11 05:34:45 UTC

Mike was already seperating from his wife before he got doxxed, and was going to explain the situation once that was resolved.

2017-11-11 05:35:07 UTC

saying "he's a jew" does nothing. Saying that a podcast host isn't a leader and the real leadership can be seen on the ground is another thing entirely

2017-11-11 05:35:32 UTC

@Hand Banana was he now

2017-11-11 05:35:36 UTC

that is incredibly convenient

2017-11-11 05:36:15 UTC

What organization are you a part of?

2017-11-11 05:36:41 UTC

If you say TRS three times, McCarthy is summoned.

2017-11-11 05:36:56 UTC

Yeah

2017-11-11 05:36:59 UTC

Formerly AWD, currently a free agent looking to help TWP with its plans to expand in the midwest, and hopefully join up myself

2017-11-11 05:36:59 UTC

I am

2017-11-11 05:37:25 UTC

I'm also summoned if you're anywhere in the midwest and need a place to stay, food to eat, etc.

2017-11-11 05:37:39 UTC

✋🏻

2017-11-11 05:37:53 UTC

My first IRL activism I ended up speaking on behalf of TRS at the NF protest in Chicago over the tortured retarded kid

2017-11-11 05:38:32 UTC

Been to a lot of demos?

2017-11-11 05:57:11 UTC

Yeah

2017-11-11 05:57:16 UTC

I mean

2017-11-11 05:57:28 UTC

I've been to every one within like a thousand miles of my house I think

2017-11-11 05:58:56 UTC

@The Inquisitor [☧] The honest critique you gave there i think is a very legitimate way to feel. I personally dont think it is productive to attack mike.

2017-11-11 05:59:42 UTC

I have had some great interactions with some from trs. I have also had some bad ones

2017-11-11 06:01:19 UTC

The fact that I loath Enoch so much is probably because I used to be his biggest fanboy

2017-11-11 06:01:41 UTC

I can get that man

2017-11-11 06:01:48 UTC

Feel betrayed

2017-11-11 06:02:02 UTC

Thats understandable

2017-11-11 06:37:59 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/274535531927568384/378795479116283904/virgin_ie_chadworker.png

2017-11-11 07:12:45 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/274535531927568384/378804224827457536/21317515_129922477640781_5902051348859370766_n.png

2017-11-11 07:30:18 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/274535531927568384/378808639399395338/Zrzut_ekranu_2017_11_09_o_22.21.46.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/274535531927568384/378808639898779649/4499106b_6250_466b_bce3_92bab52f52e5.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/274535531927568384/378808640565542912/onrmani.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/274535531927568384/378808640565542913/z19939884IER_Msza_w_intencji_ONR_w_bialostockiej_katedrze.jpg

2017-11-11 07:33:28 UTC

Aesthetic

2017-11-11 07:39:43 UTC

Nice

2017-11-11 08:00:53 UTC

Based Poland

2017-11-11 08:01:07 UTC

I've seen that symbol on a few rear car windows here

2017-11-11 09:05:02 UTC

@everyone Anyone close to Louisville KY and want to join us on a recruitment/flyer day?

2017-11-11 09:05:30 UTC

DM me for details if interested and able.

2017-11-11 09:05:41 UTC

@☦Colton of Yore☦ always good to see my OC being enjoyed

2017-11-11 09:05:54 UTC

You made that shit?

2017-11-11 09:05:59 UTC

Glorious work.

2017-11-11 09:06:02 UTC

I made the virgin vs chad one

2017-11-11 15:33:38 UTC

Wait, Im not the only bald guy in TWP? Lol

2017-11-11 15:34:46 UTC

Green eyes and bald with tats ⚡⚡

2017-11-11 15:34:52 UTC

Nice meme. Me take

2017-11-11 15:35:14 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/274535531927568384/378930679024582657/image_bgChange1510414160240.jpg

2017-11-11 17:55:47 UTC

We just fliered the SIU campus last night!

2017-11-11 17:58:41 UTC

Nice. It’s OK to be white fliers?

2017-11-11 17:58:48 UTC

Yep!

2017-11-11 17:59:11 UTC

I happened on a couple bad goys from the gun club

2017-11-11 18:02:20 UTC

Are any Orthodox goys around right now? I have questions.

2017-11-11 18:16:45 UTC

Me.

2017-11-11 18:26:58 UTC

I've been listening to The Daily Traditionalist and I was curious about something. Heimbach talks about Orthodoxy and Nationalism. Western Europeans are typically Catholic or Protestant. I checked the Orthodox churches around here, and they're Greek, Russian, and Romanian. What church would a filthy Celt like me go to?

2017-11-11 18:28:36 UTC

An African mission because Celts aren't white

2017-11-11 18:29:25 UTC

(I merely jest psl no flame war thanks)

2017-11-11 18:32:48 UTC

You dont have to be of a certain group to go to a church.

2017-11-11 18:33:11 UTC

If theyre in america I'm sure theyre english speaking anyway

2017-11-11 18:36:00 UTC

Thats theyre denomination in a way I beleive

2017-11-11 18:36:23 UTC

We have a single orthodox church in my city that just combines all of those. Ive been meaning to go

2017-11-11 18:39:04 UTC

We wuz kelts n shiet

2017-11-11 18:42:08 UTC

Well Christianity is Greek.

2017-11-11 18:42:16 UTC

The New Testament was written in Greek.

2017-11-11 18:42:37 UTC

Plato is essentially half of the fundamentals of Christianity. Christ as Logos.

2017-11-11 18:42:59 UTC

I don't know the traditions of Orthodoxy, and I'm concerned about making a poor impact if I go to a church service.

2017-11-11 18:43:17 UTC

It takes more devotion than low church.

2017-11-11 18:43:24 UTC

You gotta study the shit.

2017-11-11 18:45:09 UTC

You can go and talk to people there

2017-11-11 18:45:15 UTC

If you express interest

2017-11-11 18:48:40 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/274535531927568384/378979357835788288/cb04c377825757481ec90e6ef786684a--russian-icons-orthodox-christianity.jpg

2017-11-11 18:49:17 UTC

Orthodoxy is like regular Christianity but with balls. The most black metal monk aesthetic too.

2017-11-11 19:05:48 UTC

@Flaxxer

ROCOR has Western Rite parishes.

2017-11-11 19:05:50 UTC

A E S T H E T I C S

2017-11-11 19:05:56 UTC

ROCOR?

2017-11-11 19:05:59 UTC

I would stick to ROCOR, either WR or ER.

2017-11-11 19:06:55 UTC

Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia

It was founded by White Russians, after the Revolution, then they became the official Church of liberated Russia. Many of their priests and bishops served in the German Army (Russian Free Corps or the Russian Liberation Army, mostly).

2017-11-11 19:07:07 UTC

W O K E

2017-11-11 19:07:17 UTC

We have a statue dedicated to the POA at one of our Convents here in NY.

2017-11-11 19:07:48 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/274535531927568384/378984176004890645/16299105_250169405393937_1724259717006352797_n.jpg

2017-11-11 19:12:05 UTC

Western peoples have been cut off from Orthodoxy for almost a 1000 years, so most of the Churches are Eastern-centric. That being said, there is a big revival of Western Rite, that has been going on for a while.

Orthodoxy realizes that each people needs a Church that is centered around their ethnos. Greeks have the Greek Church, Bulgarians the Bulgarian Church, Romanians the Romanian Church, etc. Western people are slowly realizing the reawakening of the Western Churches (Celtic and French Orthodoxy are especially on the rise).

2017-11-11 19:12:34 UTC

"Muh evil Nazis hated the Slavs tho"

2017-11-11 19:13:02 UTC

That's utter bullshit. The Germans rebuilt over 7000 Orthodox Churches in the lands they liberated.

2017-11-11 19:13:46 UTC

@Flaxxer According to Generalplan Ost nazis wanted to exterminate pretty much everyone easy of Germany, even Baltics. And all this is based on the word of literally one dude, you can check it up from Wikipedia. So now Hitler wanting to kill all Eastern Europeans is part of the hoax canon.

2017-11-11 19:14:40 UTC

I want to get rid of all slav men. So theres less competition for their women 👌🏻

2017-11-11 19:14:42 UTC

"Nearly all the wartime documentation on Generalplan Ost was deliberately destroyed shortly before Germany's defeat in May 1945.[6][7] Thus, no complete set of originals have ever been found after the war, among the documents stored in German archives. Apart from Ehlich's testimony, there are several documents which refer to this plan or are supplements to it. Although no copies of the actual full proposal have survived, most of the plan's essential elements have been reconstructed from related memos, abstracts and other documents." t. Wikipedia, Generalplan Ost

2017-11-11 19:14:47 UTC

Sounds legit, does it not.

2017-11-11 19:15:08 UTC

>Wanted to genocide Balts

2017-11-11 19:15:16 UTC

>Had balts in the SS

2017-11-11 19:15:19 UTC

U wot

2017-11-11 19:15:32 UTC

Hebrew trickery

2017-11-11 19:15:39 UTC

What, is this new to you and did you expect them to have internal consistency?

2017-11-11 19:15:56 UTC

Infact Estonians were held as some of the most perfect aryan specimen, but they too must die.

2017-11-11 19:16:11 UTC

I've heard stories of Ukrainians cheering as the SS and Wehrmacht rolled into cities

2017-11-11 19:16:29 UTC

Estonia can into Nordic

2017-11-11 19:16:53 UTC

That's literally every country Germans rolled into.

2017-11-11 19:17:34 UTC

Unless you were a jew, German living standards were 10,000% higher.

2017-11-11 19:20:08 UTC

@Flaxxer From Wikipedia, Hitler wanted to exterminate Estonians, Latvians, Ukrainians, Belarusians etc despite of having armed them and allowed them to Waffen SS. According to Wikipedia:

https://i.gyazo.com/4a47b8b2b2959ee2c9dbbcbcd281e6c8.png

2017-11-11 19:21:36 UTC

Also don't the bluepills ever wonder why Hitler was allied with slavic Bulgarians and Croatians and the Slovaks etc from the beginning if he supposedly hated slavs.

2017-11-11 19:22:09 UTC

Also the so called death camps were handled...by an ethnic slav: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odilo_Globocnik

2017-11-11 19:37:02 UTC

Not to mention Hitler was at Józef Piłsudski's funeral/memorial.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/274535531927568384/378991532847661060/Hitler_Pilsudski_Funeral.jpg

2017-11-11 19:39:50 UTC

NOT to mention Hitler invited Poland to the Pact of Steel but Angloes pushed Beck to reject it.

2017-11-11 19:39:54 UTC

Did they really kill a million Poles?

2017-11-11 19:41:45 UTC

Poles naturally died during the course of the avoidable war, but no Pole was ever killed for the crime of being Polish. The Polish death toll is indefinitely inflated by including some millions of supposedly gassed Polish jews to the number.

2017-11-11 19:45:53 UTC

I mean what proof exists?

2017-11-11 19:50:42 UTC

Proof is an antisemitic social construct.

2017-11-11 19:50:50 UTC

Lmao

2017-11-11 19:51:10 UTC

If we say Hitler would have killed all his Eastern European allies, then how dare you question, goy.

2017-11-11 19:52:59 UTC

Haha I know Generalplan Ost is propagandized.

2017-11-11 19:55:28 UTC

The jews and hoaxers love praising this one Polish soldier named Witold Pilecki who voluntarily got caught by Germans and sent to Auschwitz so he could compile a report of it and escape. He did precisely that, but he was rewarded by being arrested by communist authorities. He told that "Compared to communism Auschwitz was just a trifle" before being executed by the jewish executioneer Piotr Śmietański of Mokotow prison.

2017-11-11 19:55:35 UTC

But they never bring up that quote.

2017-11-11 19:56:02 UTC

The hero Pole literally said he preferred Auschwitz to communism.

2017-11-11 19:59:44 UTC

Slavs aren't real

2017-11-11 20:05:31 UTC

Lol

2017-11-11 20:05:35 UTC

Gold info.

2017-11-11 20:17:09 UTC

Wallace is arguing with alt-sodomites who didn't understand the sarcasm when he accused the Polish nationalist marchers of LARPing

2017-11-11 20:17:29 UTC

"There's nobody dressed up like a failed ideology there, Wallace."

2017-11-11 20:33:05 UTC

Those are some optics I can get on board with

2017-11-11 20:35:27 UTC

I wonder how well that'll work for poland, given they were literally invaded by nazis lmao

2017-11-11 20:37:14 UTC

Haha I also rock bloused skinboots.

2017-11-11 20:40:07 UTC

ONR isn't NS, but Poles do have NS organizations like NOP that was tight with National Action.

2017-11-11 20:41:50 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/274535531927568384/379007838363582465/20171111_153902.jpg

2017-11-11 20:42:57 UTC

Poles are based. NatSoc poles are like a million times more based to see past their version of boomerism which hates nazis.

2017-11-11 21:13:33 UTC

Based Heimbach spitting fire on facebook

2017-11-11 21:14:30 UTC

You don't really ever see Poles crying about Nazism and Jews like the boomers of Western Powers like Britain and USA that didn't even get occupied because Poles had real problems like half a century of communist occupation.

2017-11-11 21:19:56 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/274535531927568384/379017426957893646/IMG_20171111_155404.jpg

2017-11-11 21:20:09 UTC

Getting blocked by so many kikes

2017-11-11 21:22:55 UTC

Also unlike in Anglo countries there aren't millions of kikes attacking nationalism as evil non stop.

2017-11-11 21:30:10 UTC

Schoep, Spencer and Heimbach in Charlottesville, c 2017

https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/futb_all/16210681/650621/650621_original.jpg

2017-11-11 21:38:04 UTC

tfw you could have used her to make like a trillion lampshades but didnt grab the body in time

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/274535531927568384/379021990943784971/HeatherHeyerWork.png

2017-11-11 22:05:21 UTC

i've long avoided joining a org like TWP

2017-11-11 22:05:24 UTC

or Patriot Front

2017-11-11 22:06:00 UTC

just to have a bit of freedom to float around

2017-11-11 22:06:04 UTC

and not get doxxed lol

2017-11-11 22:06:15 UTC

now I'm feeling like I should

2017-11-11 22:06:15 UTC

Heimbach has a new Facebook?

2017-11-11 22:07:26 UTC

have'nt seen it

2017-11-11 22:07:44 UTC

whats the big diff between TWP and Patriot Front?

2017-11-11 22:08:00 UTC

isn't that just Vanguard America rebranded

2017-11-11 22:09:01 UTC

PF is an offshoot of VA from what I understand

2017-11-11 22:09:18 UTC

there was some internal drama in VA iirc, some guys split off

2017-11-11 22:11:32 UTC

@Der Jäger Patriot Front is led by an 18 years old and they're on that American Nationalism rebrand wagon, removed references to fascism and try to be normie friendly. Like Identity Evropa lite.

2017-11-11 22:12:39 UTC

I still kinda like them

2017-11-11 22:12:41 UTC

Vanguard are NatSoc

2017-11-11 22:12:45 UTC

Patriot Front are gay

2017-11-11 22:12:48 UTC

they get some good attention

2017-11-11 22:13:31 UTC

PF split because that 18 years old Asperger's was getting along with no one, I was following the drama from since the first split, shit is cringeworthy. I'd stay away.

2017-11-11 22:14:54 UTC

I'd heard something came out about one of the leaders being involved with some degeneracy, split was over that, though admittedly I haven't been following it much

2017-11-11 22:15:00 UTC

VA always seemed pointless to me

2017-11-11 22:15:09 UTC

How so?

2017-11-11 22:15:13 UTC

And in their first and only demo video he just goes on about some American freedumps without mentioning anything that matters like the jews or race or anything. American nationalism is bland & gay, 0/5 would not support.

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