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Given the stupid shit Trump has done lately, it really isnt
Stephen you are a gentlemen and a scholar sir, You certainly know some things. Lets continue this another time. I must return to work.
Uh huh ok
In other words
"Tariffs Not Only Impose Immense Economic Costs but Also Fail to Achieve Their Primary Policy Aims and Foster Political Dysfunction Along the Way"
every other country in the world does it to us, they do it for the obvious benefits.
Trump’s threatened tariffs are meant to effect change in China, not — as is often the case with tariffs — to protect U.S. industries that know how to throw their weight around politically.
Many free-traders will see these tariffs as yet another in a long line of counterproductive moves by the president. There could be some truth to that reasoning. But the tariffs also reflect a growing belief among U.S. business leaders that a laissez-faire approach simply isn’t working.
You have to look at the good and bad, yes its bad in the short run, but the long run it can help protect industry
@FriarPop They've gotten richer BECAUSE they lowered their tariffs DRAMATICALLY over the years to historic lows
They didn't get wealthy because of higher tariffs, but because of lowering it
China has cut its average tariff by nearly 90 percent since the 1990s, from a very high 32.2% to 3.5% and during that period, their economy thrived
If Trump wants other nations to get rid of their tariffs altogether, then fine, but launching unnecessary trade wars with our allies and harming consumers and workers in the process when this can simply be resolved through talks is hilariously stupid
At first all the "experts" said, the economy will crash under trump if he's elected, then they said, hitting 3%GDP was impossible, now they say tariffs are bad. They are not experts but opposition. His policies are working and thriving. I'm not disagreeing that tariffs are bad, everyone thrives better without them, but they are needed now in the short run to retaliate due to 30 years of neglect and them not coming to the table on them. It brings the issues to the table directly as well.
if they are allies why are they tariffing our goods at 400% or more in some instances
That's a lot of text
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@FriarPop So essentially you're for anything these so called "experts" in your view are against, correct because muh globalism or some shit?
400%? LMAO
Where the fuck did you get those numbers? Charlie Kirk?
Every country has been steadily reducing their tariff rates long before Trump started his trade war with our allies, like Japan, the EU, Canada, including the United States, until Trump had to fuck it up and then they placed RETALIATORY tariffs on us in response to Trump's moronic move
This is a graph chart proving my point that countries *have* been lowering their tariff rates over time
Here's an example these existed before trump, you clearly do not pay any attention to economics.
270% on our dairy
*The North American Free Trade Agreement between the United States, Canada, and Mexico entered into force on January 1, 1994. Under NAFTA, trade in all industrial goods between the United States and Canada became duty-free on January 1, 2008.*
Come on man
don't be disingenuous
you have yet to prove a point
I just did 🤦
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your only point has been that tariffs are bad in the short run but nobody disagreed with you
I made that point and that nations have LOWERED their tariffs over time
not increased
yeah, nobody is disagreeing with you, it makes sense to lower them over time
And that all industrial goods between Canada and the US have become duty free
@FriarPop Which they have without Trump's retarded tariffs 🙄
Now they're increasing them because we've launched full scale trade wars with them simply because of Trump's ignorance of basic economic understanding
No
Jfc
No?
Tell me where Im wrong
Increasing tarrifs makes using local sources a a viable option when importing is so cheap, boosting local production
Tariffs protect industries at the expense of the consumer which they get hit the hardest
Besides, Trade deals aren't the existential threat facing factory workers
There is a cost to everything
It's advancements in artificial intelligence
That's the existential threat
Not yet
@An Elbow The cost of hitting the American consumer seems more devastating then laying off a few factory workers, right?
Let the market decide, not the government
"Not yet" lol
Technology is advancing too quickly
Faster than we can keep up with it
No. Creating hundreds to thousands of jobs is better than making a few things more expensive
Making things more expensive is devastating to the consumer buying the products that have tariffs on them
Bush's steel tariffs lost 200,000 jobs for every job created
If that's what you want, by all means go for it
Bush's tariffs also made the American consumer pay an additional $200,000 to $2.3 million
You have no idea what economic devastation is lol. You live in a first world paradise 😂
As I said, there is a cost to everything... But these tarrifs will help "lower class" workers by mass job creation.
Tariffs 👏 Fail 👏 to 👏 achieve 👏 their 👏 policy 👏 aims
wrong
Smoot and Hawley learned it the hard way twit
they are wildly successful
Oh really?
The Trump tariffs are winning
Tell me whether or not the Smoot-Hawley tariffs expanded the US economy in the 20s
Answer it
they did not
No
fucking
shit
@IИVДLID CЯΞДΓIФИ I have a request
It helped trigger the Great Depression
Really big deal actually
they had no clue what economics were back then
lol
neither do you
Would you mind listening to just 1 request? @IИVДLID CЯΞДΓIФИ
sure go ahead
Ligondese
nuts
Bofa
Aye I mixed em. Whoops. Lmao.
BOFA
@IИVДLID CЯΞДΓIФИ When researching an issue that you have a ridiculous bias for or against. Don't look for stuff that supports your opinion. Don't look for stuff that denies it either. Read both sides and filter out the obvious lies.
Im a big supporter of free trade. I obviously look for the lies in what protectionists spew.
Me too. That doesn't justify your behavior though
lol
And what behavior is that? Does it violate the rules to fervently argue for what you believe in?
I'm still saying the Trump tariff's have been effective. We have won concessions already, and hurt our foes and protected our domestic industries, created jobs, the market has approved of them. Only CNN disagrees. Consumers dont mind paying a few cents extra for their neighbors to have jobs
The EU conceded not much except make a deal to continue talks and halt the on-going trade war Trump instigated lol
do you hear what you said "halt on the trade war" that is what we wanted
"protect our domestic industries" while ignoring the consumers being hit hard
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