yes

http://www.pnhp.org/mortality

we lose thousands of people because they don't have healthcare

this seems cruel

and unfairly hurting the poor

the pathetically small amount of people that make frequent visits to hospitals in Norway cost everyone, everyone mind you, even the sick, large amounts of money

this is true

that is what charities are for

they go out and help

charities are not enough

being kind

humans are not kind enough for that to work

we need to have systems of kindness in place

helping the people you see in need personally not by letting half a paycheck go to a possible hostpital bill that will be covered by the hospital if they cannot afford

and not in the modern day no

but what if no one can help someone

1900's yes, people were very good with things like that

then suck it up

and they've worked hard

but are still very sick

just fuck em?

reach out for help

where?

church

good start

religious organizations love to help

what if these people are in a hospital and can't afford their bill

Why should we rely on these random institutions?

then most often the hospital will front it

It's far more efficient to just have a system set up to do this automatically

front it

doesn't mean pay for it

https://www.collective-evolution.com/2018/10/10/the-cdcs-influenza-math-doesnt-add-up-exaggerating-the-death-toll-to-sell-flu-shots/ Here's another point of view of healthcare

but also far harder for people who say cannot afford the tax hike

what about them?

feeding their family?

I can pull this shite too

What happens when the institution that is suppose to keep you healthy is actually making you sick?

some people you cannot help, I learned that in a desert of people that couldn't be helped

Yeah which is why I specificed that tax increases should come form the wealthy

no shit you were in a desert lol

but that could effect businesses

that could put people out of the job

what do you mean @Skyfire

that could put more people in positions where they cant pay

@wahx https://www.collective-evolution.com/2018/10/10/the-cdcs-influenza-math-doesnt-add-up-exaggerating-the-death-toll-to-sell-flu-shots/

unemployment is historically low... it's a great time for something like this

no

it's not

yeah sounds like the CDC fucked up @Skyfire

doesn't mean universal healthcare is a bad idea, this is a very specific example of a mistake

CDC and healthcare are in the same boat

well thank god you told me that @Alix

yes but saying that a boat gave you a splinter doesn't mean the boat is going down

you can tax from the rich, but it wont solve the root of the problem

often it is a sign of whats to come

^^^

can be, could also not be

depending on...everything else

heres one

also when have misreported flu shot deaths been a sign of things to come?

Before the income tax in the states, where did roads come from?

idk! tell meh

and the splinter analogy

the root of the problem is the corrupt people who control the people who run healthcare

splintering is a sign of rot or degredation in boats

@Skyfire healthcare is largely privatized in the us, what do you mean by that

because I agree

right but saying we should ditch the boat because of a splinter is...dumb

was my point

on the surface its privatized, but who is affiliated with these companies? the corrupt are

it means to reseal the wood

ok so privatized industries get corrupt! glad we agree on this

not get a new boat

sure

ya so therefore its a waste of energy even talking about this because it doesnt solve the root of the problem, thanks peace 😃

So because we cannot solve the root of a problem, we should give up entirely

🤔

We should find a way that doesn't impede everyone

totes

impede the rich

but why

the ultra rich

because of extreme wealth inequality

even then the ultra rich

why

they have too much

says who

me

this is not a fact, this is an opinion

they built that, they give away as much as they want, keep as much as they want

nah a lot of the time they inherit their wealth

as a matter of fact they probably give away plenty to keep their taxes low

not all of it

but they get a good head start

so tax the lucky

why do that

tax the ultra rich

the lucky ultra rich name a few

to level the playing field to make life better for the average person