the message is more important than the specific wording

I honestly don't think they should try to sculpt children's penises

And I think if a group of dads were talking that way about their little girls vaginas everyone would be losing their minds

@Maxthx Thanks a lot. I'll copy it across than. :)

@Bobby_Hill if you can find more on this, we've got them.

Especially citations

How can they do that to an infant and just continue while its screaming

Earplugs and sound proofed walls

I mean the guy actually doing the work

What just happened. A bunch of messages disappeared

editing

You're going crazy :p oof thought you would have seen when I said I was gonna remove them, didn't want it to distract from the conversation above

Oh ok

Yeah I missed that. Thought i was going crazy.

Wow

The word peepee throws it off a bit but still

It makes it look like it was made by a child

That's the reason

Most kids who do realize something is wrong and they are different blame the parents not the hospitals

Especially if they have a uncut sibling

They will always wonder why they are different

Interesting point

I still blame my parents because they let it happen. My mother said she asked questions, I told her she asked the wrong ones then because she still let it happen. She gets mad when I tell her I am fighting to stop it from happening to others because she still feels that its parents looking out for what's best.

BH I will ttyl as I need to get some sleep. Chin up man, stay strong.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=564646217368375&id=560705474429116

Im curious, how does the logo fit in?

I can kinda make guesses... The N is no? But then CGD... Child genital.. destruction? Dissection?

is there a link to the image that doesn't involve facebook?

You don't need to sign into Facebook to see that page mate

I could screenshot it for you if you like though?

oh, thats not the image I see as a preview in discord

strange.. are they both ink on paper images?

I'm not massively familiar with Facebook, but I think that's the groups current avatar that's shown in the preview

its a very confusing icon

the N is so distinct and separate from the rest... and the rest is obviously supposed to form a circle

its artistically confusing, yes

and thats an M

Child Genital Mutilation

Oh I can see the gap at the bottom now

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/av9f1s/mother_carves_her_preference_on_sons_penis/

Found this on the intactiviem Discord: https://www.reddit.com/r/Parenting/comments/avff24/our_son_is_upset_about_circumcision_and_we_dont

Be nice to them if you go over there.

Looks like there are still quite a few ignorant comments.

I got really tired of the, "There are more important things to worry about," attitude concerning circumcision.

Exactly.

Some great arguments there.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/aw8yaj/uk_citizen_calls_for_nspcc_to_be_defunded_after/

Coming out and saying that may as well be an endorsement of infant MGM. Certainly won't be contributing to their cause.

I would encourage anyone who wants to let them know how harmful this practice is *politely* to please do so

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=566768453822818&id=560705474429116

Pretty disgusting. The source is this: https://newsroom.uw.edu/postscript/study-male-circumcision-protects-women-stis-cancer

That is not the correct response to women not getting vaccinations imo.

Yeah.

Extremely disturbing

Ugh

interesting read.

I will never get a circumcision ever again

although I stand with their idea, shouldn't the dude make the decision, not the mother?

Definitely not for my kids if I ever have kids

I understand their position and why they think it should be chosen at birth, but they make it sound like the only time you can have a circumcision is when you came out of the womb an hour ago

That's probably the only time a guy is going to let them is when he's defenseless and just born.

yeah

Do they even do anything to numb it or relieve the pain ?

idk, I don't think so

In some cases they give the baby sugar and clamp it. I think some do full anesthetize, or numb the area, but it's still going to hurt the baby a lot when that wears off - and that's something that most people forget about. Surgery hurts for days or weeks after it is performed.

It's mostly nerve blocks and other analgesics. Up until 97 only 46% of those who did circumcisions used any pain management according to a study given to the NIH.

If you can give me that study for my files that would be really good.

I want to rip the lid off this this thing.

A few video's of girls being circumcised in Somalia were posted to twitter a few weeks ago. They were brutal, but they got huge metrics and generated immense awareness.
Right now, I'm downloading male infant circumcision videos off Youtube and seeing if I can expose the reality through this same avenue.

Oof. I've seen one myself and don't want to watch another. I try to make the argument that people should educate themselves, but there's a massive unwillingness for people to do so.

I hear you. Watching a video is almost a necessary element of the education process though for many individuals to understand it is genital torture and mutilation.

Otherwise, it is simply too abstract

On twitter, although I would have thought differently, many were watching the video's of girls getting circumcised.

That's great it did, I'm surprised there no accusations of paedophilia and such though, 'why are you so concerned with little kids genitals' etc, even when you're against anything being done to them x_x

Good luck with the responses mate

Thanks. I'll share the tweet here if it starts getting attention. Going to post it from my public profile.

Sounds good

I'm going to post my infant circumcision awareness tweet in this channel. Just a heads up, it contains a video of one being performed. You can't see much of anything unless you click on it though.

https://twitter.com/CarterSteinhoff/status/1103035556819230721

If you have a Twitter, do sure to be supporting the efforts here! ^^^^

I'm getting peanut metrics on this so far

Possibly, it will still catch on.

I hope so. Don't pin your hopes on it getting as much as one about FGM though, we can't be at that point yet. But every thing like this helps to spread more awareness and conversation about MGM

@Carter This is a good idea. We need to confront people the way that people protesting animal abuse do.

But except not be seen as conspiracy theorists or crazies buying into liberal propaganda. We need to create logically sound but emotional signs for protesting. No screaming. We need to seem logical and not crazy @Men Are Human

Too true. We have to be better than the opposition, though that's not too hard. Lol. @coocoodog123

https://twitter.com/andrewyangvfa/status/1105913871225815047?s=21

**Andrew Yang, a 2020 US presidential candidate, just declared he was against routine infant circumcision!**

Here is a post I created on the mens rights subreddit announcing this if you want to comment and upvote - https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/b0rcgx/2020_us_presidential_candidate_andrew_yang_just/

@Carter I haven't heard much about them before, but then I'm not up to speed about the next US election. Is he an independant? Is he likely to garner support?

He is a frontrunner democrat offering Universal Basic Income (UBI) of $1000/month as his main campaign promise.

Very popular among millennials and below

Lol literally trying to buy the election

It's a fair idea though - as far as I've seen. People burn themselves out for too little money. However, I'm more inclined to have a living wage that is calculated every year instead.