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Exactly, competition creates demand, and groups trying to out supply others creates innovation and economic development

to HELL

Yes, even laziness drives innovation.

@Flushtater in a way yeah

The will to build things so you can be lazier

If they have money to spend

Who wants to haul wood when you can flip the light switch?

123 not it

@nate112332 not really, a better word to use would be easier

Efficient

Easy makes people lazy

But lazy people nspire others to innovate for them, dishwashers are my friends.

Evolution is about efficiency and getting the most out of your resource

thus the more efficent, the more room to be lazy

@Flushtater that's not lazy people though, that's the just the opportunity for greater efficiency while performing a task

ok

if logic serves me well that is

@Termer gynocentrism eventually destroys society

Seinfeld asked several comedians if they would have suceeded without the necessity of money, they both said no.

@Flushtater makes sense

So suffering is a great teacher. Orwell even backed off socialism.

As the desire for money incentivises work ethic

I just hope mankind is conscious enough to not destroy the ecosystem. As long as we manage that, we're golden, on a long enough timeline.

We're not capable ofvdestroying the ecosystem

Capitalism creates a lot of consumer waste. Everyone owns a drill and use it twice a year.

Sure we are, HHH just talked about nukes, Pakistan and India.

Nukes can destroy almost everything

*Almost*

Yeah, it will destroy us, the earth will shake it off after we're gone

Yes, we cannot destroy the earth.

Then the rats will rise up lol

Insects

Octopi

the plauge?

Feminism is the self correcting problem @Termer

Jellyfish

Evolutionary patterns were based on polygamy and hypergamy.

bacteria

@Flushtater maybe

Depends on how rough we get it lol

The problem with consciousness is, can it be taught? It seems to arise in most after suffering.

..?

Femisnism is self correcting, it's the first thing on the bonfire post-collapse.

I know. I just hope it wont take America down with it

I'm surprised by the widespread acceptance of the idea of future collapse, since the internet.

The patriarchy will win, in whatever form it comes

Wether it be a mutation of conservatism or islam

well, a species of brains are better than one.

People don't seem to grasp that feminine cultures do not thrive, they are overthrown by more masculine ones.

In conjunction with the social justice movement @rotrunner

@Flushtater exactly

The issue is that they DON'T look, or don't accept that the past variations have failed.

or perhaps even refuse to look at what's staring dead at them

Exactly. All gynocentric societies fail. As humans are sexually dimorphic

There aren't many female cultures to point to, they were all conquered, unless they live in some eco-Goldlocks zone.

Lool there aren't any xD

IT's chimps versus gibbons.

And they aren't historians so they couldn't keep records of their existance

Lool

True dat

Chimps are widespread, gibbons are stuck in a specialized environment with few predators., but chimps have lots of predators so they appear in six areas.

so even if they DID exist

wait, what are gibbons?

Primates

Gibbons evolved out of chimps in an isolated area. TFM has a video about this.

noted.

Gibbons evolved for smaller males (cooperation) because there wer no predators.

what happened to them? Stomped out?

Chimps are one of our closest ancestors.

The females trade fruit for sxual access.

the more you know

Gibbons will be overthrown by humans if they get hungry enough.

Into the stewpot, feminist chimps!

Gibbons still exist. Sopolski still studies them for stress responses.

But I can't name a female dominate culture. Amazons?

nein, neither can I. which means they're secret knowledge or none lasted

Cooperation is great in groups of less than 100, after that, dimishing returns.

diminishing

I've been trying to tie MGTOW talking points to biology, in my studies.

That forms a strong argument, when you can point at chimps and say, "Deny that misandrists!"

that actually makes a lot of sense

But now i'm curious, why (major?) in bio?

I'm not in college, but I pursue ideas like I am.

self taught. NICE

Cheaper too

Study Your Own Way

nice

It's easier to see the ego in others than ourselves.

To be fair, we're all biased.

Whe you can take the talking points out of the me-you-us dynamic, and say look at them (chimps) even women will sometimes concede. 😲

Female chimps trade fruit for sexual access. Do think prostitution will ever go away?

uh... no. Peeps find a way

"If there's a will, there's a way."

@Termer I get where your coming from in the discussion, with the "we need to have kids" statement. However, your addressing mgtow as if it wants everyone to be MGTOW. A new generation will always exist because people will always be having children. If the information is out there, they will find it.

depends on how hard one wants to try

The idea of the correct person is a flawed idea as it comes with the assumption that MGTOW believe women are innately evil, which fundamentally it does not. It acknowledges the darkside of female nature, however gynocentrism only catalyses and makes evolutionary instincts like hypergamy more harmful to men @Termer

MGTOW men don't need to have children, but if they wish to take on proteges they are free to do so

... thats if the courts let them

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