(DM) ND - Jon UT & Nicholas UT

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ND - Jon UT @PF-3354

hey brother we don't have a meeting tongit

ND - Jon UT @PF-3354

if you have any questions dm me and let me know

Nicholas UT @PF-576300

Just FYI I sent this to Thomas to suggest that any sms be sent through signal. It's bawler. He said you'll fill me in on the details and protocol, which I did read through. But you took my number so I assume there is some sms comms. Anyway, I was just pointing out that this should be standard for any sms. My very patriotic but very paranoid friend who works in opsec/infosec sent this to me, and it's all we've ever used for years. Just FYI
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211030/13250647849/

ND - Jon UT @PF-3354

Absolutely man. Our guys mainly use threema for SMS, we’ll discuss more in person this weekend if you can make it out to that? I’ll check out the link you sent.

ND - Jon UT @PF-3354

Try and put some promat before this weekend!

Nicholas UT @PF-576300

Hey Jon, sorry to bug you. By the way, this app is rickety. I can't see your messages so hopefully you'll get this. So I went out to do some activism-ing and I started to wonder. Is what I'm doing against the law? I looked it up and from what I can tell it's littering at a minimum and graphiti/vandalism at a maximum. The org's docs say that no one shall ever ask you to do anything that against the law, but this seems to be. Sorry for being a pussy but bear with me... here's my question:

Nicholas UT @PF-576300

So I'm at the park, it's mostly empty. I park and walk to kinda distant pole and put up a sticker on it and snap the photo. I walk back to my car and get in. Here's the scenario I'm worried about (I know it's extreme so I'm hoping you can slap some sense into me): some lady who's on her lunch or whatever is parked somewhere in the same lot, she sees it all and goes and looks at the sticker, loses her sh*t and calls the police. What happens then. She might have my license number, the rookie cop might be bucking for a promotion and wants to take down "a bad guy" so what does he do?

Nicholas UT @PF-576300

Does he come to my house, send it to the feds? Do nothing?

Nicholas UT @PF-576300

I get it, I remain silent and get a lawyer. No problem, but this little sticker thing turned into a life-changing nightmare for me. I'm just throwing it at you because I'm wondering what has happened in the past and what's the worst I can expect? \

Nicholas UT @PF-576300

Anyway, like I said, sorry to be a complete wussy but I just haven't done anything "illegal" in many decades. I want to do this and I think it's good work. I guess I'm just worried about the worst-case scenario and if there's any tips and tricks to help.

Nicholas UT @PF-576300

By the way, that's a made up scenario of course. It just got me thinking. I cover my tracks well. But you never know.

ND - Jon UT @PF-3354

You're good man. With regards to conducting activism, there really isn't anything to worry about. Unless you're stickering right by a cop (which is dumb so don't do it) the cops won't called unless some lady is really schizo. Also imagine the response if a cop hears "I'm calling the police because some guy put up a sticker" lol

ND - Jon UT @PF-3354

Also in order to avoid someone getting your plates, park a distance away from where you are going to be conducting activism

ND - Jon UT @PF-3354

It's a legal gray area. The majority of the time if and that is IF a cop catches you they will just have you tear it down.

ND - Jon UT @PF-3354

If the cop asks you for your ID, you have to give it to them but other than that I recommend you stay silent.

ND - Jon UT @PF-3354

I've had people yell at me just keep walking if they follow, go somewhere more discrete turn alleys and corners. Most people won't follow, then just head back to your vehicle in leave. If you aren't getting followed just get out of there, there isn't a lot of need to panic.

Nicholas UT @PF-576300

Okay! All that is good to know. Everything kept glitching out and then I was cut from the server altogether as I'm panicking about not getting a response from you lol. I am back in. Thanks.

ND - Jon UT @PF-3354

bro I thought you left the org

ND - Jon UT @PF-3354

lol

Nicholas UT @PF-576300

Me too. I panicked. And stuff started glitching on my work computer, and I was like "I'm out - can't do it".

Nicholas UT @PF-576300

It's tougher feeling "alone" in this, just geographically, and it's compounded when stuff like that happens.

ND - Jon UT @PF-3354

I assume everything is working again?

Nicholas UT @PF-576300

Like nothing was ever wrong. Very weird.

ND - Jon UT @PF-3354

I don't know if you saw my message on the other server

ND - Jon UT @PF-3354

but there were technical difficulties in setting up your account

ND - Jon UT @PF-3354

Vincent TX set reset your password to 576300PF

Nicholas UT @PF-576300

Yeah, that's why my reply was "all that is good to know". From both servers. :thumbsup:

ND - Jon UT @PF-3354

I never saw that but I am glad you got this sorted

Nicholas UT @PF-576300

I only replied here but was referring to both. Anyway, sorry to be a pain. I have a lot of unknowns and what-ifs. I just need to get settled, mentally.

ND - Jon UT @PF-3354

you can play what if scenario's all day. As long as you abide by the guides, you'll be just fine. That means taking infosec and opsec very seriously as well as being situationally aware. I find that there comes a point when you over analyze everything and it becomes a mental block/deterrent. Hysteria and paranoia will always do more harm than good.

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