And that only happens when government is minimalized.

Oh ok

We can't get rid of governments, but we can't allow them full control.

I thought you were going to ask for abolishment

Obamacare doesn't tax insurance companies, it taxes people healthcare benifits

No... I am saying governments have no right to regulate private owned companies.

Because they tend to screw things up.

Insurance is private owned.

You basically asking the government to take over Insurance companies.

If there is no regulation then they can start using shit like child labor

I have had comercial Blue Cross Blue Sheild health care and goverment run health care. I would go back to commercial healthcare over Government health care anyday

Do you want the government to have complete control if you will get that shot or not? Governments tend to think about positives and don't think about the individual.

Insurance only?

There is a reason Canadians cross the boarder and come to US hopsitals for major operations

Not giving you an shot that will save your life is a net positive for the government.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2018-07-30/study-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6-trillion over 1 trillion cheaper for the average taxpayer.

Yeah but the quality becomes terrible.

Bloomberg too, so def not biased

Bloomberg... OMG... you bring them in?

Oof I mean

I’m retarted

I mean the study itself

I mean the study itself

Is by the Koch brothers

So def not left biased

It doesn't account for the quality of the health insurance.

oliver darcy is NOT a libertarian

I looked at that, it was done by an advocacy group. Do you be automaticly acept studies by the NRA?

I knew that for a long time Lotheron.

Tim suggested it yesterday

Yeah because that is his views.

I don't fault him on it, he doesn't know everything. I don't know everything.

I even tried to put this to work on paperwork, when I was along with some socialist policies.

a libertarian, by nature, isn't againt govement censorship

Everything comes back to the people who are giving the services will raise prices eventually in long term because it isn't sustainable.

Only way to make it sustainable is to lower the quality the health care of the individual.

It will be affordable, but it will be very very cheap ass quality of care.

Most people won't even get pain medications.

In most companies it would be affordable

Long term

I think the best law we have to deal with this really is the Consumer Protection Act, if anyone would actaully inforce the fair practices.