Message from @Atkins
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holy shit
@Timcast TIM!!
Gulag!
i understand what tim was trying to say, but his "strength" has a big built in assumption: that everyone wants the same thing solved.
Gulag alert!
>wall with different shaped holes
and why sending a bigot to one is actually a compassionate, non-violent course of action...
...How does the left turn everything Russian?
because the real russian collusion is with the left
You'd think they'd want to be Russia 😉
oh, he made a vid, that's what u guys are talking about.
ya, definitely a disagree with him, but only because he hasn't completely thought the idea through. It's like a house with many rooms, more rooms is fine and dandy and good, but it has to be built on a solid foundation.
and in the same house
gonna have problems if someone from a different house says one of your rooms is actually part of their house
There's a lot of potential for conflating race and culture when talking about the diversity argument.
well that just complicates my simile
I don't think there's much room for argument against diversity of genes (maybe excepting genes predisposing people to diseease).
i'm taking diversity to the most general definition.
even if you both are talking about culture, there is a line between enjoying mexican food on some nights and making a part of town that speaks only Spanish and calls everyone white dirty Americans.
Is it a good idea to embrace pederasty because it's part of different cultures?
having a section of a city that is under sharia law is not a strong city. but forcing everyone to be Christian isn't a strength either.
Imagine if you have a goal, the goal is to win a math competition. One team has nothing but mathematicians. The other team has a cook, a carpenter, a telemarketer, a pizza delivery man, etc. Who do you think is more likely to reach the goal?
there needs to be something unifying. otherwise it doesn't matter if you have someone who can fit in the hole if they refuse to go through the hole
exactly. in genetics, the unifying force is life.
Tucker's argument wasn't that everyone needs to be the same; Tucker's argument was that there needs to be some common basis around which a functional society can be formed. Some minimum agreed upon cultural norms.
everyone in a country should at least speak 1 language. you can speak more but everyone needs to speak 1.
for example
well, i would say the goal changes and that's what I asked earlier. mentioning chaos in a box. What's the box?
In western cultures that is generally democratic participation in governance, separation of church and state, assumption of innocence, unbiased disinterested courts, rule-of-law, etc
Sharia law, for example, is fundamentally incompatible with western civilization.
an emphasis on individual rights too?
Not sure that's really the case anymore...and that's where ppl have a problem with diversity.
the west isn't very western currently
its like post-western
they don't know what the box is, what the goal is, what the foundation is. Diversity can only be a strength when there is a commonality.
in his genetic example. Change the species, you have a cat and a dog. Is that diversity a strength?
do we need people who are diseased and dying? is that a strength? i mean, you are not diverse if you don't have failed genes along with surviving ones
If we want to continue the analogy of genetic diversity, eventually you get to the point where there is so much diversity within a gene pool that speciation happens and interbreeding stops being possible.