Pratel, you actually believe the polls after all the polls except for one failed?

It looks like the Dems have basically just given up on electioneering. They're determined to use every means except winning more votes to reclaim power.

```I seriously hope the Democrats loose all their seats in the house and senate. It would be a freaking bitch slap from the heavens. But I have a feeling that they would become extremely violent and declare this government invalid.```
There is no other way right now, you need a War because it is the only way to "purge" the evil elements and get the people to get back to their senses. You Yanks hadn't a War at your door for many decades, everything happened far far away.

And its the same for Europe...

The polls is a washed up tradition that has gotten so corrupt, that the numbers are always fudged by Democrats to claim they are winning.

*you need a war* <:thinken:258481253890785290>

Well, suffering does help your perspective...

can cloud it too....look at 9/11

NO, I neither need nor want a war.
But I have the oppionion that a War is the only way to get our democracy back and bring the people back to their senses

Democrats in Europe has completely destroyed it. European Union is barely hanging on by a threat with fear in their eyes.

what you need is a ~~info war~~

fug

The massive mistake that lead them to this was the unaccountable and uncontrollable migrant crisis.

ya, it seems like basic chemistry

i think if discourse is allowed and broadcasted properly rather then media easily getting bent by more radical views eitherway you can solve almost anything

European migrant crisis pretty much was a lesson for us United States citizens. I think it is one of the primary reasons Trump won, we don't want to see what is happening in EU to happen here.

people trip over how to maintain that standard tho

And you know what is great... #walkaway movement is picking up steam.

We are seeing large swaths of previous Democrats becoming Independents or Republicans.

@Dusty Morgan yes I do. Most pollsters care about accuracy. Political strategists spend millions or billions on these polls and they want to do it smartly. And then the companies that do them wand to prove their accuracy to get business.

The Democrats are driving away the sane and moderates for extremists.

2016 wasn't that far off polling-wise.

The analysis was very poor.

But I admit that you guys need a change in your election system

a way to get at least a third party in

But the numbers were trending a certain way if you knew what you were seeing.

Plus, we had the Democrats denying polling in 2016.

"There's no way Trump is this close in PA"

They literally had the information in front of them to predict the victory of donald trump

Hillary also won

CNN had a pick the winner interactive map with the change in voting percentages over the last 3 elections

by votes

And just being wrong once, does not prove the future.

just not the votes that counted.

Most of the votes were located in California... the totally not illegal immigrants voting state.

But there's good reasons to trust polling.

All anyone had to do was continue the trend that CNN had

What really pisses me off is the gouvernment support of dying practices.

Did you know the number of citizens in the state determine the number of representatives in the house? Thus inflating the number of people with illegal immigrants gain more house seats for Democrats.

If they did that it predicted the results of the election to a T

And this "Trump won 2016" is stale, incorrect and oversimplified.