Progress isn't always good

Of course that they are.

Why shouldn't they?

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Progress generally makes lives better, why deny it?

what kind of progress is bad, cause i would say if its not good, then that makes it by definition not progress

And what you may call "progress" others will call "regression"

I.e look at the progressive movements in the US

Oh, I have a pretty neat definition of the term. <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

they arent really being progressive though, they are just seeking to abolish all difference between people and turn us all in to NPCs

> what kind of progress is bad, cause i would say if its not good, then that makes it by definition not progress

Yeah it's just gonna turn into a word game and autistic semantics

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Progress is nothing but the increase of the ability to change one's environment.

best definition of progress achievable.

The difference between animals and humans is that we change our environment and don't let it change us instead.

That's actually pretty much the difference between an intelligent animal and any other one.

The environment does change humans

And humans ARE animals

It may but we shape it around us, instead of just letting it shape us by evolution like any other species would.

there are other intelligent animals, they just dont change their environment in ways that we do

If an animal can't shape its envronment it's not intelligent.

Period.

but what about speech, and use of tools to gather food ect

those are definitley inteligent behaviours

Intelligence is the ability to overcome the restraints of your environment.

which speech and tools definitley do

Well, all these tools are in essence there to overcome restraints, are they not?

The ultimate sign of intelligence is trying to overcome your restraints, instead of complying with them and just evolving ways to be better suited for that particular environment.

This is why we build homes, saw clothes, grow food, etc..

All in the name of alleviating the natural restraints imposed upon us by our biology.

well dolphins arguably have more capacity to learn than humans as far as i know, they just dont need to change their environment at all

because they can fucking fly, and there are just meals floating around them at all times

essentially

@Harrybaxter♫♫♩♫‿◦ And are therefore not intelligent.

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Not capable of progress.

they do have a full language though.

and admittedly a strange social structure, but a social structure

they just dont need to progress, so they didnt develop a need to

And they would be a dead branch of the evolution tree in that case.

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