@Harrybaxter♫♫♩♫‿◦ Yes, I am not.

I'm actually an Absolute progressivist.

I put PROGRESS as the highest goal of society.

> Compare them now with what they had a thousand years ago and you will see a fall into anarchy.

They aren't an anarchy though

And anarchy just retrds societies.

yeah its really not anarchy at all

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Progressives are just as bad

it is a smaller society, but it is still very much a society

@TheCaledonian So, you want to live in an anarchy?

Where would we be without progress?

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i feel like everyone is for progress tbh

apart from islam.

Progress isn't always good

Of course that they are.

Why shouldn't they?

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Progress generally makes lives better, why deny it?

what kind of progress is bad, cause i would say if its not good, then that makes it by definition not progress

And what you may call "progress" others will call "regression"

I.e look at the progressive movements in the US

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they arent really being progressive though, they are just seeking to abolish all difference between people and turn us all in to NPCs

> what kind of progress is bad, cause i would say if its not good, then that makes it by definition not progress

Yeah it's just gonna turn into a word game and autistic semantics

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Progress is nothing but the increase of the ability to change one's environment.

best definition of progress achievable.

The difference between animals and humans is that we change our environment and don't let it change us instead.

That's actually pretty much the difference between an intelligent animal and any other one.

The environment does change humans

And humans ARE animals

It may but we shape it around us, instead of just letting it shape us by evolution like any other species would.

there are other intelligent animals, they just dont change their environment in ways that we do

If an animal can't shape its envronment it's not intelligent.

Period.

but what about speech, and use of tools to gather food ect

those are definitley inteligent behaviours

Intelligence is the ability to overcome the restraints of your environment.

which speech and tools definitley do

Well, all these tools are in essence there to overcome restraints, are they not?