Message from @ComradeChaos

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2020-04-03 01:54:26 UTC  

Yeah, that's true, but that also needs a lot more invasive, precise, and personal installation

2020-04-03 01:55:29 UTC  

For now

2020-04-03 01:55:58 UTC  

And while we get how some things work it's not a deep enough understanding quite yet, but once we get that understanding building AI should eclipse mind control in usefulness

2020-04-03 01:56:44 UTC  

All I'm saying is to be skeptical of what this technology's purpose is. Don't let your desire for the benefits blind you to the power it could potentially hold over you

2020-04-03 01:58:13 UTC  

There isn't a purpose but what we make for it, and the possible goods and bads don't nullify each other, as we saw with understanding needed for nukes

2020-04-03 01:59:13 UTC  

We also have to remember that everyone wants this, and that we may or may not be the first to get it to work.

2020-04-03 02:00:15 UTC  

I don't want it. I think technology only serves to further separate us from our nature and the power of our own minds when discipline is applied to it

2020-04-03 02:00:59 UTC  

Our monitors increase alpha brainwaves, a brain state associated with closed eyes

2020-04-03 02:01:05 UTC  

Eyes wide shut, so to speak

2020-04-03 02:02:04 UTC  

Governmentally speaking, I mean. The chinese must be starving for such fine levels of management potential.

2020-04-03 02:03:52 UTC  

I can definitely see how technology has sort of happened like that, but then I think that's more a consequence of people believing technology solves problems. Problems always exist, you must simply pick and choose which problems you have- technology is a tradeoff.

2020-04-03 02:06:07 UTC  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZKD9r6_pks

Interview starts about 10 minutes in. A fairly accurate overview of what the current geopolitical situation looks like.

2020-04-03 02:10:12 UTC  

Strategic inertia is the best way I've heard that described

2020-04-03 02:12:48 UTC  

<:thinking_clown:590855640268668928>

2020-04-03 02:14:29 UTC  

Does Xi Jinping thought even have enough material to train a model on?

2020-04-03 02:17:04 UTC  

I'm guessing they profile internet traffic and then set a target for what they want to match it too

2020-04-03 02:18:37 UTC  

If it were me working with this, I'd integrate it such that it acts like twitter/google's "right bad" but with the Chinese set of programs

2020-04-03 02:26:15 UTC  

The point is that the potential for this technology to control our thoughts exists and we need to be eternally vigilant

2020-04-03 02:26:20 UTC  

That is the price of freedom

2020-04-03 02:26:59 UTC  

It can't control your thoughts, but it can be as good as the best human persuader

2020-04-03 02:28:19 UTC  

If it can persuade the majority of people it may as well be mind control

2020-04-03 02:28:58 UTC  

Then perhaps mind control is not such a bad thing, because most will find it acceptable in practice

2020-04-03 02:29:45 UTC  

Those who do not will take measures to nullify it

2020-04-03 02:30:13 UTC  

Also look into Dark Patterns for more on those systems and methods

2020-04-03 02:30:38 UTC  

If every knee does not bow, it is quite literally the system of the Antichrist from a biblical perspective

2020-04-03 02:31:11 UTC  

If that's predestined to happen anyways then there's no problem with it

2020-04-03 02:33:15 UTC  

No action could possibly counter the plan of God, and as such, there is no reason to concern yourself with that plan beyond aspects wherein you have control over it.

2020-04-03 02:33:35 UTC  

I suppose, but at the same time we shouldn't say something is good because the majority are able to be persuaded by it. Even if it is an inevitability it's a choice to go along with it

2020-04-03 02:35:59 UTC  

So carry on being mindful that all information comes from a direction which imbues it with spin, and research and help inform where you can,
https://www.darkpatterns.org/

2020-04-03 02:36:20 UTC  

These can't be made by the average AI because they're not patterned enough

2020-04-03 02:39:19 UTC  

Thank you

2020-04-03 02:39:27 UTC  

@Jym
very cool watch

2020-04-03 02:40:41 UTC  

@Hexidecimark

I got his third book last week. Reading it over my lunch break right now. My at home read is Kotkin's biography of Stalin.

2020-04-03 02:41:06 UTC  

I think there are definitely moves that could shake that image up, but the image itself is based in very solid predictions and considerations

2020-04-03 02:42:38 UTC  

Yeah I am kinda an oddball. Most of my YT subs are think tanks and such. I sort of slipped into Sargon's sphere because I am an avid gamer and was involved with GG back in '14.

2020-04-03 02:46:34 UTC  

qabalah reminds me quite a bit of artificial neural networks fwiw

2020-04-03 02:48:43 UTC  

As a categorization & classification system itself, it's not actually that far off, I suppose