And each time theyve told me that if i didnt march i would be punished

Usually its brief social ostracisation

Yes but you're not going to criticise the theory of relativity without first reading it are you? @Slen

One time

This actually happened to my grandad but we work in the same places usually

I have read the communist manifesto. That is what I am criticising.

I don’t see your point.

A bunch of union boys bailed him up and gave him a beating for not marching

Well they didnt exactly succeed in the beating and were rather beaten but you get the point

Perhaps Das Kapital has some good points. A shame they didn’t make it in the final cut of communism.

Unions, much like communists are authoritarian asses

so let me talk about the principle here which is what matters, when unions go on strike, its a last resort when talks have failed with the boards or whatever authority is there. They put their wages on the line to demand better conditions. Do you believe that is a valid case for getting better treatment and better wages?

Sure, but unions in their current state are doing it wring

Would you say the government has also failed to do a lot of things right?

Communism argues that its implementation would increase the welfare of the lower class citizens

It also fails to do that

At least in the capitalist system

Would you say the government has also failed to do a lot of things right?

Its possible to argue for higher wages

Yeah the Soviet Union was great. They paid a living wage in the gulags don’t you know.

Sure but just because the government fails to deliver on “some things” doesnt invalidate capitalism, unions and communism fail to deliver the whole point of having communism or a union

Again when i speak of unions i mean unions in their current state

So will you apply the same thought process to unions?

Which thought process sorry?

that the government fails to deliver on some things

Read what i said

Capitalism fails in some respects, yes, its not perfect, you cant have perfect

But it doesnt

Fail in ALL respects

But you believe communism has to be perfect

No

Stop putting words in my mouth

Our standard of not causing massive catastrophe is not us asking for perfection.

when did capitalism first start?

Communism doesnt have to be perfect, but it has to function

Consistently

And without causing major humanitarian disasters

If a capitalist economy crashes i can still work enough to feed myseld

do you believe capitalism hasn't caused major humanitarian disasters?

Not on the same scale as communism

What scale is that