the problem is shit people making shit decisions

there is no systemic solution to this

let me give you an example of how incompetent private companies are. When BT was part privatised in the 80s, they did a report on the efficiency of copper wires. They realised it was quite bad for digital communication and very unreliable. They set up a fibre optic implementation program and two companies to manufacture parts and components and they found that fibre optic was cheaper than copper implementation

guess what they went with?

Companies don't have the investment capacity to invest and widen their service base. Governments can do it

Historical errors of judgement notwithstanding

You seem to apply the logic of shit people making shit decision but you can't apply to governments? even though governments have better implementation processes

Doesn't fix my bad broadband

and the capacity

You're defeating an argument I haven't made

In fact, you're acknowledging the argument I made, then claiming I said the opposite

okay tell me then, why did BT went ahead with copper when fibre was cheaper?

cos it was cheaper to continue with copper than invest in fibre

to use the existing infrastructure and continue with a shit service

do you think the government does the same with the NHS?

I do acknowledge your argument but you're wrong to assume that private companies would rather provide a better service when they can rely on existing infrastructure and still get paid than upgrade it at cost

Whether or not, in theory, private companies would do better than public is irrelevent.

In this case, both BT as a private company, and GPO (as publically owned BT) are/were abject failures

And given it is a monolithic infrastructure, there is little or no scope, that I can see, for a market-driven fix

It's proven that government bodies operating large infrastructure do better than private companies because of the access to a) power of legislation b) capital

fine

but it's not just that, it's also 5G

but they didn't in this case, and there's nobody pushing for it's nationalisation

which would require an infrastructure upgrade that private companies simply cannot fathom

You need fibre cables for 5G data transfer

i'm not terribly interested in 5G - i live rurally, 5G to me represents my hard-earned money - already in short supply - being taken off me and spaffed up the wall for the benefit of already wealthier cunts in cities

It won't benefit me in the slightest

I'd just like my broadband fixed

Yes thats true cos its cheaper and more affordable for private companies to provide service in cities where they know for a fact they would get returns than to go out of their ways to invest in smaller rural areas and upgrade the infrastructure there.

but 5G regardless of your interest is something that we would have to upgrade to

its just a technological upgrade

that has to be done

"Would"?

Motherfucking WIndows 10 has changed my keyboard layout back to US -----again-----

Yeah there's something wrong with win10

ive stopped updating it

yes "would"
Since the government has decided to go ahead with huawei, which is a security risk but they are still going ahead

now that would require fibre cables

which would require massive investment

that's nice - how does that fix my faulty broadband?

well if BT or OpenReach was nationalised, the government would invest to upgrade the entire infrastructure in the country, which would then make it easier and cheaper for 5G implementation. So not only will you get better faster broadband, you'd also get 5G. Internet will become free in a few years. Already many places around the world are moving towards that.

Guarantee you it woulnd't