Mail is a public service that should be provided to everyone regardless of where they are. Private companies simply cannot do that and RM has failed already to do that and you think that s stupid argument lmao

it just shows how little you are aware of how things work at national scales

Rail? close it down

the logistics involved to provide the service

I'd like to see rail used more for freight

ANd not for rich londoners to fuck up rural economies

so you want some 40 million people to travel bu cars ?

I want the rail network to be self-sustaining and not subsidised by car drivers, most of which are significantly poorer than those using the rail they're subsidising

If you -must- subsidise rail, and I don't think we should, then pay for it out of general taxation

You want the rails to close down, so can you tell me what will the alternative be?

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Why would it close down?

> I want the rail network to be self-sustaining

> You want the rails to close down

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> Rail? close it down
@Eccles

Remove the subsidies (prices go up) or push the cost of the subsidies from cars to general tadxation

Stop being a leftist 🙂 I'm establishing preference

If the options were "fund rail off the back of impoverished car drivers" and "shut it down", then shut it the fuck down

how are rails subsidised by car drivers?

the tax revenue from car drivers pays for the entire road network multiple times over

do you have a source for that

yes, ONS

the tax revenue from drivers is more than the entire Department of Transport budget

QED

can you link me that interesting study? Im quite interested to see how vehicle tax goes to rails

don't be flippant, the figures are what the figures are

Im not, in fact I asked you for the source

Or are you one of these peoples who needs a peer-reviewed study from a publication approved by your ideology to know where your arsehole is?

And I told you - the ONS has all the government spending and revenue figures available on their website

No i just need the source from where you are making this claim and the fact that you'd rather go the ad hominem way just shows that you don't know it

does it?

got a source?

Because the tax from vehicles goes towards infrastructure costs

yeah i do

OBR

i'm supposed to be working. i'll let wladfa/wacka find the figures for you

sure

You want to find spending on rail subsidies and the road network - both will be in the DoT spending

You should also take some time out to find out how taxation works and not just assume dumb things like it all goes to rails

You'll then want fuel duty, vehicle excise duty, and VAT share from fuel sales

"it goes to" is not relevent here