obviously annexing NZ shouldn't be a primary goal rn but it should at the very least *be* a goal

no point in doing it at all. what benefit does australia get out of it? and what benefit does nz get out of it? australia and nz are both shiit hole countries with nothing of value to offer but natural resource's

The benefit is a united ethnos

this isn't a economic matter, it doesn't matter if New Zealand improves our economy or not

TBH this is the bigger problem I have with the idea of a 'white nation'. When I look at the countries that have larger white majorities I see a lot of welfare spending and a lack of basic civil rights. I mean, I like the Brits clearly I'm here from my fondness for a Brit YTer. But when I listen to their new 'right-wing' PM he was talking about socialized medicine and better enforcement of the laws keeping the populace unarmed. I thought it was the DNC debates. I was waiting for him to start speaking Spanish FFS.

Boris isn't right-wing lmao, he's a liberal

He's also what passes for 'Conservative' in Europe.

sadly, not much you can do about that though

except change what it actually means to be Conservative, obviously

they already have a union? They improve each other by being separate. More benefit from being separate.

I mean I don't want to do anything about it it's not my country. I'm just saying that this is why when politicians here say we should be "more European" I start thinking of tall trees and stout rope.

that's not the point, we'd improve each other more by being a united nation instead of separate. it's like saying that Victoria and NSW would've been better off if they hadn't federated, maybe in a economic sense but thats not even the point

the goal is a united ethnos, a united cultural and ethnic group, New Zealanders and Aussies are basically the same culturally and ethnically and should be united

Yeah kinda done. You can't tell the difference between states and countries. kinda pointless if i have to explain every detail. I don't get paid to teach you all about economics and global policies and business. Their are different cultures in both countries. Those culture's are effected by laws (laws affect the society, society effects culture) what you're advocating for is ethnic cleansing of nz's culture

That's just stupid, there's more benefit for the collective if we unite, and there wont be any "ethnic cleansing of nz's culture" because firstly you clearly dont even what ethnic cleansing is and secondly NZ is culturally extremely similar to Australia, there would be at worst small-scale cultural assimilation, which is fine.

Ethnic cleansing:

"The systematic elimination of an ethnic group or groups from a region or society, as by deportation, forced emigration, or genocide."

Who's getting ethnically cleansed here?

You’re using force! Nz has a Constitution. You will e killing that which has massive effects on the society. You’re a globalist which is why you can’t tell the difference. It’s not extremely similar either. It is similar just like every other western country in the world is to one another. You don’t know what you’re talking about and it’s dangerous because you will forcibly take people’s rights away for a reason that actually benefits no one but your ethnic group

Ethnic nationalism is globalism apparently

Jesus Christ what is this word Diarrhea I'm reading

"You’re using force!" I have said that i'd prefer union via peaceful referendum

"t’s not extremely similar either. It is similar just like every other western country in the world is to one another. " actually yes it is, New Zealand is a Anglo-Celtic Nation, as is Australia, our cultures are extremely similar and are derived from British culture.

New Zealand and Australia both derive their cultures from Anglo and Celtic tradition and Christianity. Australian Culture developed around concepts like mateship and to a certain extent agrarianism. New Zealand was very similar in its development, obviously there are differences but overall they're basically identical, the differences are so small they could be ironed out in a generation

The Tower of Babel was the most globalist story in the Bible @Ethreen42

no need to remind me

I'm personally not Christian, doesn't change the fact that our culture derived from Christian morality

Australia and NZ less so, but it was still impactful

one has a constitution the other doesn't. lets throw the constitution out the window and force people to follow australian laws. mmm it's not like nz don't say they aint australian's. mmm it's not like nz has a native population that would fight to the death for it not to happen

nz and australia share values like the rest of western countries. but they're not the same. nz is more like america because they have a constitution. they have their own nationalism. the people that want to kill nationalism are globalist and cultural marxist

"ironed out" using force to convince people to do something

indoctrination you mean

"mmm it's not like nz has a native population that would fight to the death for it not to happen" I actually doubt that, a lot of New Zealanders would accept union with Australia, especially if it was widely perceived that the only alternative was Chinese Hegemony. New Zealanders aren't really "nationalistic", they're patriotic but that can be easily framed in a pro-federation way. "nz and australia share values like the rest of western countries." NZ and Australia's values are far similar then NZ and Germanys values or NZ and Frances values.

assimilation can happen naturally via incentives and campaigns, so no, not through force

You've never met nz people. or native nz peoples. They killed thousands because they refused to be colonized.

I've met hundreds of them lmao

I used to live near them, they're very patriotic and the similarities with Australians are astounding, you could easily find common ground.

" because they refused to be colonized." Federation isn't colonization, this is like saying Prussia uniting Germany was colonization.

bro it's just getting annoying cause you don't actually know the history behind these countries. What it actually took for things to be the way they are. and why nz views it self the way it does. You're a globalist and you can't see the mistakes in your logic because you're fueled by an agenda. No benefit to any country "but lets just do it any ways because "enter stupid reason that kills a culture""

i aint patriotic. i don't like australia nor do i like nz. but i understand what makes them different in massive ways.

It is a benefit to a the nation and the ethnos (culturally, spiritually and economically, as well as in a hundred other ways). Not my fault you dont understand the cultural similarities between the two people. in the 1800s there were various movements that succeeded in uniting culturally similar peoples into a single state, it can be easily replicated.

yes new zealand and austria are both cucked, but new zealand is even more pussified if possible

this really isn't a debate, the similarities outway the differences here