Message from @ETBrooD

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2020-03-20 22:09:03 UTC  

Its not about it being a competition. Its about defending citizens from outside dangers. Thats the goal. If the threat is enormous the response should obviously also be enormous

2020-03-20 22:09:22 UTC  

Right, the military would never be used against its own citizens. Not a chance.

2020-03-20 22:09:23 UTC  

Threat scales upwards based on a lot of beans
For example, let's say you have two opposed, roughly equal nations, and a third much smaller one. Neither larger nation can move because mobilizing against the lesser power would weaken them, thus, the response to gain an edge in the overall position would be to increase military power.

2020-03-20 22:10:04 UTC  

You cannot rely on your neighbor's good intentions, or you would not *need* a military

2020-03-20 22:10:44 UTC  

I can't remember a single case where a government - excuse me, a *rational* government - has used its military against its own people (rationally, that is)

2020-03-20 22:10:47 UTC  

Heres another thing. Individuals in enemy threatful nations do not have rights. So you should do whatever must be done to win the war. In a act of self defense.

2020-03-20 22:11:03 UTC  

Hey? Did I say that I liked US foreign policy from 1945 to now?

2020-03-20 22:11:10 UTC  

Thus a military must logically increase in power

2020-03-20 22:11:17 UTC  

It's inevitable that the military will be used against its own citizens.

2020-03-20 22:11:23 UTC  

Sure. Having a military that can deal with real threats is a value

2020-03-20 22:11:52 UTC  

Not if you have a government with a strong constitution. You see if we dont have public education everybody wont turn into nihilists like they are today

2020-03-20 22:12:12 UTC  

Ah, with a strong *rational* constitution, I see

2020-03-20 22:12:28 UTC  

Yes. The founding fathers did a GREAT job. However, not good enough!

2020-03-20 22:12:33 UTC  

That only works if EVERY NATION has a roughly similar constitution and adheres to it

2020-03-20 22:12:46 UTC  

I love how you always come up with excuses. Well, it works if, but not if. Only if, and then if, and if. But if not that, then it won't work. So it must be like this, and if that's how it is then it works.

2020-03-20 22:13:16 UTC  

What? If they have a similar constitution then there wouldnt be a threat. Because freedom you know

2020-03-20 22:13:37 UTC  

Yeah. Using reason and your mind to deal with reality is quite a challenge huh? You never tried it before?

2020-03-20 22:13:40 UTC  

Ah yes, the constituion is the answer to all the problems that come with a strong military, right.

2020-03-20 22:13:51 UTC  

You cannot count on every nation being uniform

2020-03-20 22:14:05 UTC  

A constitution creating free countries is a problem to foreign aggression yes.

2020-03-20 22:14:10 UTC  

I love how these debates typically come from a western-centric view.

2020-03-20 22:14:26 UTC  

No I cannot. Thats you take out the countries that are threat if they are a threat

2020-03-20 22:14:26 UTC  

As soon as you point to other nations: noo, reee, don't use that argument. Constitution, constitution!

2020-03-20 22:15:02 UTC  

Yeah the US constitution is one of the wonders of the world. It is what created the prosperity you live in today.

2020-03-20 22:15:14 UTC  

Brazil sure is happy with its military and its rational constitution, I bet

2020-03-20 22:15:46 UTC  

You see I value living a good life! Brazil is a country mired in socialism and nihilism. I doubt they have rational policies.

2020-03-20 22:15:53 UTC  

This guy thinks a government is rational if it protects the selfishness of its citizens

2020-03-20 22:16:43 UTC  

Yes! Trade is a good thing ETBrooD! Both people gain from the trade! Coercion usually makes the trade bad for one part however

2020-03-20 22:17:03 UTC  

You see I am for this thing called capitalism. It is was occurs when there is freedom.

2020-03-20 22:17:33 UTC  

Which comes from the government protecting peoples rights as written in a good constitution

2020-03-20 22:17:38 UTC  

Ah yes, the US military is definitely not going to be used to undermine people's selfishness during a crisis *looks at covid outbreak* 👀
*Reeeee, that's rational!*

2020-03-20 22:17:59 UTC  

Why do you assume that I like what the US government is doing now?

2020-03-20 22:18:11 UTC  

But it's acting totally rationally, so you should like it <:pot_of_kek:544849795433496586>

2020-03-20 22:18:17 UTC  

You do not understand the objectivist position at all!

2020-03-20 22:18:29 UTC  

Oh I understand the power of your rationality very well <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

2020-03-20 22:18:42 UTC  

HAH your debate style is pathetic. I absolutely destroyed all your arguments and now you act like a petty child.

2020-03-20 22:18:56 UTC  

I think you're not being rational rn <:smugon:512048583806025739>

2020-03-20 22:19:18 UTC  

Here. Listen to these. You might learn something and change your mind!

2020-03-20 22:19:25 UTC  

I won't, thanks

2020-03-20 22:20:55 UTC  

Gets absolutely destroyed in a debate. Refuses to listen to good arguments by the person he got destroyed by. Good job you! Keep your evasion up im sure it will lead you to great places in life