The values are what stops you from beeing a psychopathic serial killer.

It is a black and white scenario.
Either you can be too selfish, or you can't be too selfish.
Describe a middle ground

@taekahn you idiot ive refuted everything and you just ignore what I say

apparent selfishness?

like it appears to be selfish acts but by the end it benefits everyone to a significant degree?

Would you say i'm being too selfish in the converstaion then, tv?

I'm thinking more of a half-full / half-empty glass situation

unless I am way out of the ball park with my version of the middle ground

I don't know @AHeroQuest . I get where you're coming from, but that goes deeper than the act of doing something selfish into considering the ramifications of the action

Being selfish isn't a bad thing. And good things can result from it and bad things can result from it

Its the act itself that i'm talking about. The "i'm doing this without consideration for anyone but myself"

A certain amount of selfishness is healthly

but like anything, you can be too selfish

you can also be too selfless

its all a balance

I'd agree with the original sentiment that being selfish usually has a negative connotation, but being selfish doesn't mean it's being done out of spite or with hatred or ill intent.

If you blow up the world for peace and quiet and then decide after you want a conversation. You have already destroyed your other values

Destroying values doesn't even enter into the conversation

All acts of selfishness don't have to be done to any extreme degree though

again, i'm talking about a single solitary act

You can be selfish without throwing away any values whatsoever

They don't but tv was claiming its impossible to be too selfish

```All acts of selfishness don't have to be done to any extreme degree though```
And too much selflessness is worse than beeing selfish as Angela M. has shown us....

Precisely @Tykiller

I'd argue it completely depends on the context

But usually, yeah, I'd probably agree with that

It can be seen as selfish to stand up for yourself, and selfless to roll over and give way to progressive ideas

And I'm way more for the former than the latter

That is the exact context where i was trying to get someone to be more selfish

like i said, they didn't take my advice, which is a shame

too much selflessness was the reason for my mental breakdown four years ago 😅

to me I see any actions or thoughts of selfishness as extreme

I'd also argue that Angela M can be viewed in both senses. I imagine a ton of people see her actions as selfless, some see it as causing harm, and others promoting good

so judging the difference for selfish and selfless are way too blurred

But I also imagine there's a shitton of people who think she's a selfish thot and she isn't really doing any of her BS for the betterment of anyone

@AHeroQuest I have a friend going through that now. I keep telling him he has to think of himself and not others

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At least not the benefit of anyone she actually represents, or should be representing

I had to detach myself from everyone to finally pull my soul together again @Murbay

```I'd also argue that Angela M can be viewed in both senses. I imagine a ton of people see her actions as selfless, some see it as causing harm, and others promoting good```
You can argue its selfish as she wants to stay in power and thus beeing selfless about the people she should protect....

I hope your friend gets better soon. It's a horrible place to be in