Anyhow yah boi codes heading out

I'm not sure. I like a lot of indie games and even id software wasn't so big when they made quake.

cya dude

Also, Java is a good language to reverse engiener.

Gonna go watch twitch while on the jerb

Good tooling support.

I really dislike the JDK, because of how hyper-normalized it is.

Did you guys hear that M$ released the DOS source code?

It has a class or an adapter for EVERYTHING. If you want to just read a regular certificate for signing or cryptography in general, you need to instantiate half a dozen classes.

true

Well dos is really old @Termer

Java's got its strengths and weaknesses for sure

One for general certificate management, then an adapter for the specific certificate format, then another instance to do the cryptography, and then one for the signing.

Oh yeah, crypto in java is not fun

Then, you need to convert your data that you want to sign into the specific structure type that the crypto manager expects, yada yada yada.

Compare this to .NET, for example, and it's far more use case oriented. You want to sign some data? Here's a class and method that does it for you. Oh, and it's static.

Problem is, .NET is windows only

C# is like legos: you take the right pieces and put them together. Java is like legos, too - but you have to build your own lego pieces lol.

The JVM's main selling point is its portability

Yes, for sure. That's how it spread so far.

I really like Java as a web backend lang, but I don't use it for much else anymore

I SEE

And, I think newer Java developer get it: they usually design their classes for ease of use, not some abstract design quality metrics that nobody cares about, some obscure OOP metric.

The JDK is kind of like a hyper-normalized database schema:

Your professor in college would have given you an A+, but you have to JOIN together half a dozen tables just to get anything useful out of it.

haha

Speaking of databases, JDBC is not fun to work with

But, I still like Java.

I wrote a nice wrapper for JDBC that's more friendly, but I still need to do some updates to it

Right, because the JDBC is exactly how I described above: you need to instantiate half a dozen skeleton classes that you then instantiate with a hundred adapters, before you can execute a single SQL statement.

I made mine a lot like php pdo

very nice, at least for me anyway

Compare this to .NET and Python, for example: Just tell some class you want to run statement X against server S and it will give you the reults.

yep

@everyone CAW

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It will not only give you the results, it will also render them in a Jupyter notebook, put a bow on it, and hand deliver it to your grandmothers log cabin in the woods.

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