It necessitates that reality is eternal

And so the inevitable has happened and happened again

In different ways too

making free will and sentience an illusion

I believe free will and fate coexist

I believe that you are a big gay

It can be explained by being in a river that is set, with you paddling to choose where to go next in the set river

There are obstacles in the river

It makes sense to me anyway

Well I wouldn't say fate then. I think it carries too much weight in the "predetermined" front

My professor wouldn't accept it based on the fine description of what is fate and what is free will

Right

Idk what other word I'd use to replace it, but that's an interesting concept

But there are things that are predetermined and there is choice in a predetermined world

You are born into circumstances that you have to navigate

Ocean meet paddler

That's right

And couple that concept with an eternally shifting reality

@Gilgamesh if any given situation, given the exact same starting condition can only result in the same singular result then how can one claim to have chosen anything?

Your choice is bound by your predetermination, your body and mind, soul, environment (circumstance, others around you)

The whole point he's making is free will is that paddle in the ocean

Basically

If you are a Ham Sarris determinism gay it changes nothing

These words need new versions

I don't believe in absolute predeterminism, but it's hard to distinguish based on what Miso said

Maybe we are perfect robots for believing in freedom

If that's true, it's still everything we hoped for otherwise

I guess the epitome of free will then is real chaos?

The world is chaos and order in balance

Not all the time but it does eventually balance out

Well the way I see it, there's either the scenario you put forward, where you have a mix of circumstances affecting you and free will guiding you, OR you're a determanistic fag and literally nothing matters cause there's no free will

Hard to say haha

Brb

can't you predict and extropolate all of existance given a powerful enough processing power and enough infomation to figure out all the causes and effects of everything?

Even if that was possible, no one now has access to such a system.

you know where people are, what they are doing, etc... can't you map out everything everyone will do?

given that all interactions are done with what the people have at hand at that time, can't it be mapped how that data will spread through a system over time?

Wouldn't you have to map out the way each person in that system would think as well?

not as much for major stuff done in public. For minor stuff (such as what you do in your own home), yes. The more data points you have from more people the less detailed each indiviual one can be

I don't think anyone has any good mapping of the human brain right now.