Message from @xorgy

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2018-11-14 20:26:18 UTC  

Sure, let's go with that. Abolish the ballot system, the electoral college handles federal positions and each state makes their own system for appointing state officials.

2018-11-14 20:28:28 UTC  
2018-11-14 20:28:47 UTC  

@Bookworm that is currently how it works

2018-11-14 20:28:56 UTC  

Realtalk though- what are some of the factors that led to the erosion of duty and proper citizenship?

2018-11-14 20:29:03 UTC  

women voting

2018-11-14 20:29:13 UTC  

Spicy

2018-11-14 20:29:19 UTC  

women are compassionate

2018-11-14 20:29:27 UTC  

especially childless women

2018-11-14 20:29:36 UTC  

I blame the cultural revolution of the 60's and 70's.

2018-11-14 20:29:45 UTC  

voting without duty to the nation gave a voice to control the nation without a stake in said nation after all

2018-11-14 20:29:46 UTC  

compassion without empathy (the most common brand) is absolutely deadly

2018-11-14 20:29:51 UTC  

Women suffrage did not help us, no.

2018-11-14 20:30:17 UTC  

We could probably make the system work with women's suffrage

2018-11-14 20:30:20 UTC  

but not much thought was put to it

2018-11-14 20:30:51 UTC  

politicians do the easy thing, and appeal to blind compassion

2018-11-14 20:30:54 UTC  

@Beemann think about this, you sign the draft to get the right to vote. Those who did not sign the draft and will not suffer the effects of war get the full voice to send you to die in some godawful place. They can vote for any war they want but YOU pay that price

2018-11-14 20:30:55 UTC  

which has disastrous consequences

2018-11-14 20:31:10 UTC  

open borders are compassionate in the immediate

2018-11-14 20:31:31 UTC  

but ultimately cruel

2018-11-14 20:31:44 UTC  

when society is forced to bear the costs

2018-11-14 20:32:07 UTC  

this distinction is not drawn and not adequately illuminated by platforms

2018-11-14 20:32:25 UTC  

because it is nuanced and therefore difficult to make into bite-sized memes

2018-11-14 20:32:40 UTC  

>add wahmen to the draft
>not every man is eligible for service

2018-11-14 20:32:41 UTC  

bite-sized memes are the currency of elections

2018-11-14 20:32:52 UTC  

Would be my two "counterpoints"

2018-11-14 20:32:54 UTC  

sufferagates were terrorists, and the minority to be honest. They blocked exits to building that had people in them and set them on fire. They used explosives to commit acts of terror. Most women at the time didn't want the responsibility to vote, they didn't want to serve in the draft

2018-11-14 20:33:13 UTC  

Oh absolutely. Im aware of the history there

2018-11-14 20:33:24 UTC  

I'm okay with universal eligibility

2018-11-14 20:33:40 UTC  

but changing the standards of the draft to seek an outcome is retarded

2018-11-14 20:34:17 UTC  

the military, volunteer or otherwise, should not accept women who are weaker and more useless than men who are equally weak, who they would not accept.

2018-11-14 20:34:25 UTC  

I think the problem with pushing the notion of wahmen in the draft is that people seem to think draft = GI

2018-11-14 20:34:33 UTC  

but service now doesn't always entail combat, peace corp and reserves exist as well

2018-11-14 20:34:51 UTC  

that is how isreal functions still

2018-11-14 20:34:53 UTC  

sure, then change the criteria for real

2018-11-14 20:34:56 UTC  

Military service includes desk jobs

2018-11-14 20:35:05 UTC  

instead of broadening the general criteria

2018-11-14 20:35:11 UTC  

Agreed

2018-11-14 20:35:20 UTC  

it also includes job training like engineering and medical

2018-11-14 20:35:45 UTC  

you can get the military to pay your way into a lot of medical fields

2018-11-14 20:35:45 UTC  

With the understanding that every member of the military, excluding certain excluded professions, is a legitimate target in times of war.

2018-11-14 20:36:17 UTC  

But for a given role, there should not be a rubric for each sex.