Message from @Misomania

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2018-11-24 04:27:25 UTC  

I never agreed with that when it's used to reference extremely complex issues

2018-11-24 04:27:48 UTC  

Occams razor works in day to day life but not the largest scale of details

2018-11-24 04:28:00 UTC  

then again the saying to never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupity always annoyed me. Why can't it be both?

2018-11-24 04:28:15 UTC  

It should be

2018-11-24 04:28:18 UTC  

I mean

2018-11-24 04:28:32 UTC  

Don't assume evil intent or incompetence to suit your worldview

2018-11-24 04:28:52 UTC  

Figure it out and get used to saying "not enough information"

2018-11-24 04:29:21 UTC  

Occams razor would suggest a lot of shit that mainstream doesn't believe in

2018-11-24 04:29:36 UTC  

it's the basis of the left feeding on itself

2018-11-24 04:29:36 UTC  

It's used to suit their agendas

2018-11-24 04:29:50 UTC  

and the formation of echo chambers

2018-11-24 04:30:01 UTC  

Yeah that is pretty scary

2018-11-24 04:30:23 UTC  

Glad I found a place that is founded on opposition to echo chambers and tribes

2018-11-24 04:30:39 UTC  

At least that is what I hope this is

2018-11-24 04:31:22 UTC  

For example though, if the simplest answer is probably true, then the earth is flat

2018-11-24 04:31:51 UTC  

On the other hand from another perspective, if NASA says it's a globe, then go with it because lying is complex

2018-11-24 04:32:15 UTC  

But then we rely on many complex understandings which goes against occams razor

2018-11-24 04:32:27 UTC  

I never liked it even as a kid

2018-11-24 04:33:09 UTC  

your talking about people that say 2+2=5 and that 4-2=2 in the same breath though

2018-11-24 04:33:22 UTC  

Bad example then

2018-11-24 04:33:45 UTC  

somehow they can see stuff that is opposed to each other and see it as supporting their desired outcome

2018-11-24 04:34:11 UTC  

So if someone says the Nazis did it, and the Nazis say they didn't, which one is simpler and thus more right due to occams razor

2018-11-24 04:34:28 UTC  

basic cleaning done, fan is MUCH quieter now

2018-11-24 04:34:39 UTC  

I suppose I am struggling to find a belief held by the same group that uses it and doesn't in another case

2018-11-24 04:35:24 UTC  

The point is to say that "the simplest answer is likely true" just isn't true

2018-11-24 04:35:42 UTC  

It's always used in reference to complex issues

2018-11-24 04:36:07 UTC  

It's fair to use occams razor like "I can't find my keys. Maybe the aliens took them? No, that's too unlikely and complex"

2018-11-24 04:37:04 UTC  

the history channels agrees that it was aliens

2018-11-24 04:38:57 UTC  

The problem with 'the simplest answer is likely true' is that 'likely' can be anywhere from 51% to 99.9~%.

2018-11-24 04:39:58 UTC  

Dr. Peterson talked about how if you were to take a guess between one man and one woman, which would be more violent, you'd be right 60% of the time on the man and 40% of the time on the woman.

2018-11-24 04:40:23 UTC  

So even though it's 'likely' that a man is the more violent out of the two it's basically a coin flip on the right answer.

2018-11-24 04:42:49 UTC  

To be specific, Peterson said that while the distribution is 60/40 over the total population, the most violent people are pretty much invariably men

2018-11-24 04:43:47 UTC  

Yeah I agree with perceived likelihood but people used it to write off possibilities

2018-11-24 04:44:03 UTC  

Sometimes things are complex

2018-11-24 04:44:07 UTC  

Because that slight proclivity results in a larger difference at the extremes basicslly

2018-11-24 04:45:33 UTC  

Likelihood seems to mostly be determined based on what people want to be true

2018-11-24 04:45:40 UTC  

In general that is

2018-11-24 04:46:11 UTC  

The 'likelyhood' that people would conspire seems to be pretty high given that humans are social animals.

2018-11-24 04:46:36 UTC  

See that is how I think @Malt_Hitman

2018-11-24 04:46:54 UTC  

It's odd to say otherwise but conspire needs to be defined

2018-11-24 04:47:01 UTC  

Working together in secret