Message from @LotheronPrime

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2018-12-08 19:41:20 UTC  

i think it's been here for quite some time now, and i feel like this is the first one 😬

2018-12-08 19:41:21 UTC  

that ended the islamic golden age of science

2018-12-08 19:41:33 UTC  

Lots of that PROGRESS tho came from war :]

2018-12-08 19:41:40 UTC  

and changed their direction to what it is today

2018-12-08 19:42:24 UTC  

idk if better technology would've made middle east's direction different

2018-12-08 19:42:40 UTC  

probably not

2018-12-08 19:42:51 UTC  

like they're pretty rich rn in many parts

2018-12-08 19:43:08 UTC  

oil though, and later on trade centers

2018-12-08 19:43:34 UTC  

the place is slowly Westernizing tho in current year

2018-12-08 19:44:50 UTC  

That's why i love traveling to asian countries, lol. Very easy in terms of religion and shit, pure old culture

2018-12-08 19:45:08 UTC  

if the middle east hadnt gone conservative religious in 1100... it would definitely be a super power today

2018-12-08 19:45:10 UTC  

it's all empty tho, just like the West

2018-12-08 19:45:38 UTC  

people don't really understand religion, even those that say they follow it

2018-12-08 19:45:51 UTC  

and if the UK didnt have a conservative religious history in the dark ages it would also be much more powerful

2018-12-08 19:46:45 UTC  

what's France and England gotten from being "superpowers" for centuries tho, really

2018-12-08 19:46:46 UTC  

@AdorableStormtrooper that's my only criticism of Jordan Petersons work, if i may call it that. His discourse about religion is on another lvl, its not for your average Joe to understand

2018-12-08 19:47:51 UTC  

yeah his lectures are very difficult, but then Scripture itself isn't that easy to interpret, in comparison Peterson is like a guide book

2018-12-08 19:48:29 UTC  

at least he's not full conservative religious...

2018-12-08 19:48:36 UTC  

doesnt want evolution out of schools etc

2018-12-08 19:48:52 UTC  

Yeah, but how many of his ideas are really there and how many are just his interpretation

2018-12-08 19:49:07 UTC  

he believes in evolution

2018-12-08 19:49:26 UTC  

exactly

2018-12-08 19:49:32 UTC  

that's the nature of commentary on Scripture, it's all someone's interpretation

2018-12-08 19:49:46 UTC  

it's like that for any big set of literature

2018-12-08 19:49:47 UTC  

tbh it would be weird of someone in his profession not to

2018-12-08 19:49:56 UTC  

most conservative religous types are pro evolution now anyway

2018-12-08 19:50:12 UTC  

I would consider myself christian

2018-12-08 19:50:13 UTC  

to them that is the how and not the why

2018-12-08 19:50:18 UTC  

and believe in evolution

2018-12-08 19:50:23 UTC  

its not really something you can be "pro" .. you either understand it or dont 😛

2018-12-08 19:50:50 UTC  

Peterson is interesting in the sense that his advocacy for religious thinking is based on Evolution, he is a Darwinist in that sense

2018-12-08 19:51:13 UTC  

that idea has been really catching on, I've seen Bret Weinstein talk in those terms with Dawkins

2018-12-08 19:51:23 UTC  

i really think that as a humanity we need to go past religion, i feel like we at that point already, when bad shit starts to prevail over benefits

2018-12-08 19:51:48 UTC  

hahaha

2018-12-08 19:52:13 UTC  

Sadly though I it is probably not possible. In the absence of traditional religion people will turn to something else to worship

2018-12-08 19:52:44 UTC  

they already did, they treat ideologies as a religion

2018-12-08 19:52:57 UTC  

yeah there are definitely a lot of things you cant question these days

2018-12-08 19:53:07 UTC  

Social Justice if you really think about it is really a replacement for religion, activism is prayer

2018-12-08 19:53:20 UTC  

but the new wave conservative religous thought is that science are the rules of god. That they are inseperable from each other in that the universe follows the rules set forward to it by their idea of a creator.

2018-12-08 19:53:30 UTC  

like why are little tiny blondes on TV going punch for punch with massive guys