and both follow tolkien of course

vulcans romulans klingons tholians tellarite etc

Klingons?

fair enough

klingons were in ToS

they'd rather not talk about why they had smooth heads

Tellarites - Dwarves, Klingons - Orks, Tholians - Ents (?)

Sorry, I thought you were saying they were mirrored.

The Klingons act... Not too stereotypically like Orcs.

No, they don't... I withdraw and apologise.

Also, I think the Andorians were in the Original Series too.

They were.

Androids and Cybernetics were not that advanced in TOS though.

No, hold on.

Both were present in Discovery.

Mudd.

Mudd ended up... Those were alien ones.

Never mind.

https://youtu.be/Ag1EbxYKh_4

This was the Mudd we all remembered....

I actually liked the new mudd

one of the few better episodes

Should not have been a 'Mudd'.

sometimes the original..ok a lot of the times the original series was very twee

Should have been an original Character.

whut, asking americans to be original again? get real ... reboots are cheaper

Mudd was a lovable rouge, not a terrorist, and enemy of the federation.

Only to the Klingons was he a terrorist.

Tribbles.

Different guy sold the Tribbles.

Wait...

Damn it!

My memory is slipping.

All that sleep deprivation.

Its easy to think it was mudd. Very similar character type

@Brant, there are plenty of original shows.

Hell on Wheels was one. Supernatural another.

Supernatural jumped the shark when they introduced angels.

They went from raditz powerlevel to freiza powerlevel

I... cannot disagree.

We need more cowboys and Indian shows.