Message from @Vetus
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and our citizens are either dumb enough or we're manipulative enough to fool them
no
The only real way to get a better life would be to get a place in the party
oligarchy is a state ruled by the rich, through monetary wealth
we are all oligarchies
capitalism, the western world, we are merely better at manipulation
I firmly believe that
I don't see what's wrong with that tbh.
There is still ample opportunity
then you don't see what is wrong with communism
at least, you see what is wrong with the theory
but the countries who claim to be communist aren't
they're oligarchies too
lol
it's all bullshit
I never claimed any country was communist
fair enough
forgive me
Real communism has never been established, and probably wil never be.
And socialism is the absolute worst way to try
what is the difference
between socialism and communism
i don't know
Communism, socialism...same shit
Communism is the utopian state, it's is stateless
And classless
Afaik communism is an end goal that socialism is the most common vehicle people try to obtain it
The theory is that socialism would result in he government eroding
seems reasonable Witt, but not precise enough at all
I should just look it up now
And the end state will be a stateless, classless society
well
Both communism and socialism are cancer
here is a probably biased and private-funded wiki talking about it so
keep that in mind
Well what other info are you looking for? One is a governmental model based on redistribution, one is simply a society without class
i'm looking for a definition like that, witt
anyway
as a capitalist society, we still have social programs that resemble communism
"Real" communism will be achieved with Capitalism eliminating scarcity before Socialism works