it's the same thing

It isn't

how so

why is it that a pregnant woman who is murdered has her murderer charged with double homicide, regardless of the development period

what changes the status of the child?

abortion is an industry, one with massive financial benefits and backed by useful idiots who refuse to see that even it's namesake ('jane roe' of roe vs wade) was against it because of how abortions cause lasting psychological damage to women that can never heal (gets worse with time)

@Misomania Yes, I understand how it works out in reality. But the Marxist utopia is one where AFTER the authoritarian communist dictatorship has achieved its goals that society will progress to a "stateless" entity with no gov'ts and no leaders. It is then that I want to know how the supermodel picks her mate, i.e. when there is no elites to choose from?

Double standards, but that is not what we are arguing about

we are talking about what determines a person

i hope virginia goes red from this

it's certainly not an agreed on sentiment in any regard what actually constitutes a human being other than our DNA

Trump has already won 2020

@CasualSailor the only time there can be no leaders is if everyone dies. Even in a anarcho state with no government there will be warlords who take what they want by force

so for convenience, they make up terms and falsify information to make people feel less guilty about killing children in the womb

tru that @Samaritan

So you would rather a child be born and made a ward of the state?

yes

Instead of abortion

because at least then they have a chance

I've known plenty of people who grew up in the system that made something of themselves

All these coalitions are being held by one thing...................Hating White Men............................Why are they so stupid.... Blacks Likes Matter..........Feminists................LGBTQ.................Progressives.............Minorities.. Why would Feminists import Muslims who would slap them and make them wear clothing to cover their face

these people are mental

abortion is a racket

it's not a right

or freedom

it's murder

state sponsored murder

It isn't murder

it's the new religious cult of the left

@Misomania Yes, I understand that. And you understand that. But the students of Marx BELIEVE there will be a "stateless" utopia. But I wonder if they have ever asked themselves how the supermodel will pick her mate or how in the "stateless" society it will be determined who gets to live in beechfront property and who must live next to the Sewer plant?

same as heaven's gate or jonestown

yes it is. It is the intentional ending of a human being's life by the hands of another human being @The Yellow King

Murder is a legal term

so what's the legal definition of murder then

Unlawful killing of a human

@EndangeredProdigy Intentional homocide.

@CasualSailor i think even they know that the only true socialist state is a graveyard. I really think that is the goal, the voluntary human extinction movement

ok so then what @CasualSailor said then

intentional homicide

It has to be unlawful to be murder

@CasualSailor Communist want stateless society so that no one rises above them...they hate to see people rise above their station................of course these elites will be protected forever