Now what they *can* say is that it's the first Black hero movie who's actually *african* set in Africa

That's a valid milestone to claim

But that's not what they were all sayin

interesting, I dont remember a backlash when people didnt like catwoman... shows you how much everythings changed

Cause superhero movies weren't big at taht time

they had a big push with the Superman and Batman movies

then it went to shit

I don't remember people crying misogyny when everyone hated that shitty JLo movie Enough

and then it came back again with Iron Man

Honestly even 10+ years later

That first Iron Man is a solid movie

I think that's why they made this universe work honestly

They gave us a solid, three act movie, totally self-contained

with only a hint of sequels after the credits

and then they played it safe and self-contained for a few more films

The only thing I wish they went into move with Iron Man was Tony Stark's alcoholism

Id say the first spiderman remakes brought em back

that's true wack you win on that

and only when it became clear that they could make it work is that they started having fun with the MCU

cameo crossovers and stuff

mind you the one I watched as a kid was pretty cool

that's why the MCU fundimentally works better than the DCEU

the DCEU went into it trying to make an extended universe

cant remember if it was an 80's movie.. or earlier

the MCU started with a small handful of self-contained movies that were only tangentally connected by Coulson and Fury

I still think they fucked up Nick Fury

and THEN they did the teamup

Nick Fury is not a wisecracking kitten petting goofball

Yeah, MCU didn't start off with the idea of making a huge universe, which I think is part of why it worked. Everything was self contained, you could watch one movie without having to watch the others

I kind of liked the idea that I think Universal had that they started with the Mummy remake of having kind of a horror universe but I heard that movie was complete garbage

That was brutal too

How do I put this

the narrative was crap

and they spent almost 20 minutes trying to hype the rest of the upcoming movies

instead of just doing a fucking mummy movie

But actually what I like about the MCu even now is that outside the Avengers movies, you can reasonably pick up the first movie in any of the serieses inside it and be fine

you pick up Doctor Strange and you don't really need the other moves to like it

@King Canuck do you think they should have done it more like the MCU when they visit the Collector and there were like...little hints scattered around about other things but didn't go into detail?

Yeah

THey tried to do that with a museum owned by Dr.Jekyll

but they spent way too much time with him