cant tell from other side

but still, they didnt have the resources to compete with the allies using the PZIV, especially considering they were fighting the russians

I mean Panzer IV was the most common one, and versus the M4A3 series it was pretty outmatched

and the russians were building tanks as big as tigers

It was very good early war

yeah

it ended up getting outpaced so they converted them to Stugs

which was genius

Would have been easier to mount additonal armor and improve the rounds for the gun then trying to make a new tank.

Or go balls deep in the panther II project and ignore other heavies

agreed

but still

Its always better to improve what you got then to make new things

they would be vastly outnumbered no matter what

so they had to brudge the gap

It was said the IS-2 actually killed one of the Maus at the factory

So there goes that armor.

and the PZIV couldnt bridge the gap

well if you shoot them with specialized rounds

I always liked that story about the T34, the guy tried to sell the design to the US and they were like "Nah, that's way too big" so he sold it to Russia

ha

128 Jaegertigeroo

The muas took a shell from 122mm and it didn't peirce

T-34 was a fucking abomination that barley worked. But it barley worked , in a good way.

yeah

in a russian way

it just barely worked well enough

Id been impressed if it didnt go through. 122 is pretty high pen.

@potroaster You're thinking of the christie suspension.

Not the actual tank

Yeah that's it

The fucking track pins arent held in by anything, so they added a slopped bit of armor to knock them back in as you drove it.

ooh nice

oh scout vehicles

Daimler MK

I love ten

AYYYYYYYYYY

The russians are silly.