so we agree the earth isnt moving

*relative to itself, yes*
*relative to the rest of the universe, no*

im talking about absolute movement

imagine you have three cars, one is standing still, one drives at 10mph, and one at 20mph
relative from the 10mph car, the 0mph car is moving with -10mph, so yea, movement is relative

no, absolute movement

that would mean that you have a huge coordinate grid of the entire universe, which doesnt exist

you cant speak about absolute movement on that scale

10 mph means 10 mph in real space

define real space please

it can be detected

seen

measured

how

you cant tell the speed if you only have one object, you need to have something to compare it with

so you dont know what a car traveling at 10 mh means

yes, its moving with 10mph, relative to the surface of the earth

and the surface of earth doesnt move

things on erth move but earth doesnt

if you're running on a treadmill, you're not moving relative to the surface of the earth, but you are moving relative to the conveyor belt

relative to the surface of the earth, yea, the earth doesnt move, because you cant tell the speed if you're only comparing something to itself

if you were floating through space, without anything around you, would you be able to tell if you were moving or not?

you tell me, there is no such thing as space in my world

i only experience things

then what is that void between the earth, sun, planets and other objects out there?

i am not aware of any void

then where are the sun, planets and other objects out there?

they're not on the earth

in the sky

they're above it

yes theyre above earth

in the sky? explain why they dont fall down and crash into the earth please

i only see them when i look up

how would i know how things in the sky work?

so you cant provide any evidence or explanations?

in that case I think my arguments are more valid, because I did have explanations

i could make up a story

I'd like to hear the story you believe, not some weird fictional story

i dont believe in made up stories

i prefer science

then give me the science

I prefer science too