Message from @SpiderLedgic (Cancer)

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2019-12-02 20:07:35 UTC  

Umm

2019-12-02 20:07:37 UTC  

No

2019-12-02 20:07:42 UTC  

oh, no?

2019-12-02 20:07:56 UTC  

so, GR perfectly explains the rotation of large scale galaxies?

2019-12-02 20:08:06 UTC  

*invented*

2019-12-02 20:08:08 UTC  

Dark matter is an explanation for why there’s so much gravity in a galaxy

2019-12-02 20:08:11 UTC  

lol

2019-12-02 20:08:31 UTC  

We don’t understand dark matter but we know how it interacts thru gravity

2019-12-02 20:08:38 UTC  

no, my friend. it is *assumed* there's much more gravity.

2019-12-02 20:08:55 UTC  

to make that assumption, we need dark matter.

2019-12-02 20:09:13 UTC  

otherwise GR can't explain it.

2019-12-02 20:09:38 UTC  

2019-12-02 20:09:47 UTC  

oops

2019-12-02 20:10:23 UTC  

It’s not assumed it’s known

2019-12-02 20:10:31 UTC  

so dark matter was created as an *oh fudge, we need this or gravity fails*?

2019-12-02 20:10:39 UTC  

We can see it’s gravitational effects

2019-12-02 20:11:33 UTC  

not as simple as that, but yes. It's a mysterious substance we can't see or detect but we need it to be there for GR to make sense.

2019-12-02 20:12:47 UTC  

It's entirely possible there's something missing within GR that can account for macro scale gravity without needing dark matter. Some scientists don't even believe in dark matter.

2019-12-02 20:15:49 UTC  

Well GR is known to be an incomplete theory. Again, no one is denying that

2019-12-02 20:16:12 UTC  

Okay, good.

2019-12-02 20:16:12 UTC  

But it works for what we need it to do

2019-12-02 20:16:47 UTC  

We also can detect it through gravitational lensing

2019-12-02 20:16:54 UTC  

Dark matter

2019-12-02 20:16:54 UTC  

Sort of. Quantum renormalization would be pretty good to know.

2019-12-02 20:17:16 UTC  

The flat earthers here would say those gravitational lensing photos are fake.

2019-12-02 20:17:20 UTC  

Gravity is non renormalizable

2019-12-02 20:17:29 UTC  

yes, I know.

2019-12-02 20:17:29 UTC  

It’s not a true force

2019-12-02 20:18:10 UTC  

I’m not sure if most flat Earthers understand gravity at all

2019-12-02 20:18:17 UTC  

They dont

2019-12-02 20:18:29 UTC  

If they did they wouldn’t be a flat Earther

2019-12-02 20:18:29 UTC  

That's the discrepancy between quantum scales and Minkowski spacetime.

2019-12-02 20:18:50 UTC  

Right

2019-12-02 20:19:28 UTC  

Anyway my point from earlier

2019-12-02 20:19:51 UTC  

If gravity behaved as we measure it, but on a flat Earth instead, there would be many strange consequences

2019-12-02 20:20:16 UTC  

right. That's why they don't believe gravity is real.

2019-12-02 20:20:22 UTC  

That would be awfully fun to measure lol

2019-12-02 20:20:29 UTC  

Since even plants are known to respond to gravity

2019-12-02 20:20:45 UTC  

And even our bodies

2019-12-02 20:21:08 UTC  

Yep

2019-12-02 20:21:16 UTC  

Water would flow to the centre like a big sink