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globe earth model needs warping space time and dark matter

not really things we experience

That's GR, which has problems and needs correcting. I don't personally believe in dark matter myself. But globe can exist without it as long as a different model more accurately explains gravity.

which it doesnt

The galaxies spin 10x to fast

Here's the thing with GR - it very, *very* accurately describes the universe on most scales... except for quantum and macro scales. Which is why I think most scientists are more interested in finding bandages to fix things rather than scrap it with something that explains everything.

exactly, Z

Gravity model doesn't work without dark matter

exactly! it's a fudge factor

"But, how we observe the sky to move is 100% consistent with the globe earth model." is what you said

yes very fudgy

oh, chad, I specifically meant the rotation of the sky from our vantage point.

sorry for the confusion

so what are macro scales?

is that not rotation of the sky

rotations of galaxies like Z mentioned

galaxies are in the sky

yes, but we can't really SEE them rotating from our vantage point. We can see them "move" through the sky as the earth rotates, but that's not the same thing

by rotations of galaxies, I mean their spiral rotations.

not their traversal through our night sky.

something you'd need Hubble for haha

so do you think galaxies rotate?

I have never seen one rotate. But I'm open to the possibility.

seems you are hedging

youre mainstream or not

I try to remain unbiased and open to all possibilities as long as there's sufficient evidence.

It's why I have the Questioning role. I think it's a good thing to question everything.

no thnking for yourself

so are we in a spinning galaxy?

also, you'd think by now, in 2019, that they'd have invented a tool that could repeatedly measure the earth's rotation/'flying through space' supposed actual movements

Personally? I think we're in a spinning galaxy. Do I have the means to prove it? No. I'm taking the word of mainstream science on it.

and Metallica's top 3 points have already been shown to be debunked, at least you have a more pertinent & thought provoking observation .. but still it doesn't necessarily suddenly only equal 'globe' ,, surely there could be other alternatives that haven't yet been explored? or are you not entertaining such possibilities that there could be another explanation? @Drewski4343

Hey...

Hello Metallica!

which top 3 points

what are they and how are they debunked, is it in this chat somewhere up

no it's been done over and over again , if they weren't debunked there'd be no flat earthers lol

15:31] ❄️Holly Jolly Drewski❄️: Personally? I think we're in a spinning galaxy. Do I have the means to prove it? No. I'm taking the word of mainstream science on it.

is far from mainstream

if its science its proven