but the issue of barring people from citizenship based on welfare usage is stupid

are you going to deport american citizens born in the US and in poverty and living on welfare?

why should we treat immigrant "welfare leeches" any more different than american citizen "welfare leeches"

and on the topic of welfare, immigrants have shown to pay taxes

a good few billion

so why should we restrict the items that they pay for?

@Auriel Thats not the issue

Immigration is going to drop 70%

From a high in 2016 of 1.2M

To 300,000

And Europeans, with a quota system, would make up a good chunk of it

main reason people come is due to gibs
I think there will be less migration from bad countries tough integration is still going to be bad due to the ethnic enclaves that are already here.

I'm not sure if it'll impact migration overall due to smart people going to the US or companies wanting cheap labor from places like Mexico.
If you really want to impact it then you need to enforce those policies retroactively.

@Niveusater American culture is Anglo-Germanic.
The US was tamed by the anglos and build by the Germanics.
If anyone wants to live in the US they need to adapt to that culture.
The difference is that Americans had their ancestors build and possibly defend the nation.
Some guy from Somalia that stepped of the plane two weeks ago has no real ties to the country beyond a piece of paper.

These people already come to escape there horrible conditions in there own countries. They don’t have much and will probably resort to welfare. These people aren’t lazy leeches, most are hard working people and we shouldn’t punish there poverty

Plus many people I know come from Central America and Cuba and they are just as American as me

Another country being shit isn't my problem.
There is also no easy way to vet actual refugees and people that just want free shit or plan to export their horrible culture.
If you import third worlders you import third world problems.

@Obama_Bin_Laden You’re not American if you’re a social democrat imo

And quite frankly, the Know Nothings, aside from their anti-catholicism, were right

@21ooAB what were the standpoints of the Know Nothings?

How am I not American I’ve i was born here and lived here for 90% of my life

@21ooAB you didn't even ping qotd properly

Don't bother people will get pissed with double pings

Bad

A big percentage of Americans are believe social democracy are they all not Americans

What?

The Right Cafe said social democrats aren’t American

@Obama_Bin_Laden neither are Republicans

"America" isn't a legitimate nation anymore

Are you some Sovereign Citizen

America aka US of A was NEVER a nation but a corporation and a social experiment

U kids have a lot of catching up to do

ok bud

Mate are you ok

America’s have laws, a government, Popular Sovereignty and Most American citizens and acknowledge and support it’s existence

What metric do you use to say it’s illegitimate

Sorry liberals, the USA is real

I’m a liberal and I’m happy America exists

Last time i heard America is a nation

I think it's a bit of both
Part of what makes America an experiment is that it's a nation with no real roots.
The nation was created by Anglos and unlike Europe there is no long linneage of monarchs.
There was talk of appointing a king at some point but they were worried that Europe would just make fun of him.

America was founded off the ideas of liberty it doesn’t need a king