@Zoltanous Morality isn't the only argument, you may read the whole convo.

Seems like morality is the main focus of the conversation besides government mostly bad

A) Morality is a very good argument
B) I've listed certain benefits that come with my approach of anti-Imperialism.

Although I don’t get hiking call it incompetent when it’s merely a tool like a gun. Power is a position projected for many different goals. If I had a totalitarian state I would be trying to maintain a traditional social order but liberalism wants to maintain a global economy and gay prog values.

As for morality it is a bad argument because morality comes from the structures within the power centers of the society. Genealogy of morals essentially makes this argument that it’s projected from the high onto the low. The constructing of social norms is projected from the state typically into the economic sector besides that propaganda and lots of other culture changing methods are incorporated. I could only see you making this argument from a utilitarian one ie relativism because of subjective value or a religious one which I’m not religious so this argument doesn’t stick for me.

@Zoltanous send your youtube channel

i forgot it

Ok but that's the thing, you act within your advantage and to the advantage of humanity as a whole and this is what is moral to you. That doesn't sound like morality to me at all. How does doing what is to my advantage or to the advantage of humanity as a whole relate to what is right or wrong? This just sounds like you are imposing abstract concepts which you have no objective justification for to the consequences of actions. I can understand that in general cooperation is helpful for my survival but that doesn't make cooperation truly good and it does not make a refusal to cooperate bad.

My channel

ew a fasicst atheist?

Cringe

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I’m a Hegelian

Dude he literally asked for my channel

Fuck off

Watch your language dear, you don't get to tell staff to fuck off.

No fuck you libtard

Now take this unnecessary convo elsewhere.

**@Zoltanous** has been detained.

lol

>fuck you libtard

bruh!

What is detained?

muted

Isolation.

Dang

Anyhow, let me and Oboe continue our serious conversation please.

I also can't help to feel that some of your reasonings presuppose that killing is wrong which doesn't make sense to me sense you maintain that morality is subjective but I don't think you are very eager to concede that killing for my advantage is permissible within certain contexts either.

Okay, if you want to put morality aside, we can do that. But before I do so, I'll let you know that if you think that killing is moral, you have serious problems, and I don't say this to insult you, but I really worry about your mental state.

Now, when it comes to killing people because there are advantages with go with that action, I must remind you that there are also disadvantages, which, when it comes to killing a people, they always -and I mean always- overshadow the advantages. For example, if we go by the example of yours, you killed a number of people because you wanted to have full control of their resources. Why kill them? You can certainly keep them alive, and use them to your own advantage. By removing all value, you remove many advantages as well.

@Oboe

Ok but that poses the question of slavery

Is it better to enslave that people than kill them?

I don't see how that would be any less imperialistic

You don't need to enslave people to use them to your own advantage.

Their mere existence is one great advatange.

I gotta go, I'll be back in a couple of hours. Feel free to respond, I'll just respond to you later. @Oboe

Alright

My issue with that is you seem to assume that in *every* case that letting people be free and alive works to my advantage and I just don't see that as true. We can work up hypotheticals wherein a given group's destruction would work to my group's advantage and within this framework I am trying to figure out whether you think that working to my group's advantage is what defines morality or that there is some kind of over-arching sense of right and wrong which prevents you from seeing killing as a morally acceptable option. So I have to ask, which is it? Is killing supremely wrong or is working to my own advantage supremely right? I don't see how the two can both be true.

Isolationism only makes sense if you have obtained autarky

The possibility of obtaining autarky is a impossible for most countries in the modern world; so it should no means be taken into consideration.

Heres an idea

Also, Isolationism + Autarchy os practically a bullet througth the head. Most modern attempts of autarchy were not derived from isolationist policy, but the contrary, expansionist policies (Japan as an example).