What "other" concepts do you wanna know?

its a vague question

what ?

@Sentient23

You said "present the other concepts"

what do u wanna know

what issues do u want me to explain

well i don't ask you now

Hmm

I already said i agree with the first way

@Sentient23

Do u want me to present the second way?

THe second way is much more easier to conceptualize

Basically it goes like this:
Causes and effects exists, therefore, there is a causal chain (i.e a chicken laying an egg, then the egg growing into a chicken etc)
However, something cannot cause itself (this was in the first way as well which you agreed to)
However, there cannot be an infinite chain of causality. Why:
P1 In order to have gotten to this point, we would've had to have successfully traversed the prior causal chain
p2 However, traversing infinity is impossible
p3 Therefore, the causal chain is fininte, and at the bottom of the causal chain there is something uncaused which caused everything to come into being

(im gonna eat breakfast and then do homework so my responses may be derailed)

You know what's great

being forgiven for something you didn't do

I'm genuinely curious

Why is the bible the word of god?

It was written, put together, and edited by man

@Dr. Emperor Thanatos the wise yes and most of the events therein deal with us mere mortals.
But then, that's not the point. The point is the inspiration many get from reading the said holy books is beyond the norm.

@Sentient23 You argue that a good moral compass cannot exist without religion, yes?

ye

Now, ofvo, you yourself are religious, correct?

Im gonna assume yes and im the same

ye

So it doesnt matter if the book is real? @Gothik Extravaganza

So, you will defend that religion is what gives good moral, while being the least moral person on a server full of atheists?

hypothetically?

I dont understand your question

the point is you will continue defending your beliefs despite the fact that you, as the only religious person on the server has the worst moral compass of anyone on the server?

Well, some would argue that you don't actually believe it if you don't pragmatically adhere to it, which I reject, as I believe one can believe X and do Y (that's what addictions are for instance)
The fact that you don't abide by it doesn't in any way indicate that the good moral compass isn't good, it simply indicates that either 1. You lack discipline and are possessed by demons or 2. that you might be arguing for the sake of arguing rather than actually being convinced in what you're saying

Yea i take my leave i think this settles itself

(possessions by demons don't always have to be as Chaotic as its portrayed by the hollywood, the only reason temptations exist is due to demons and satan, and satan and demons tempt the humans by exploiting their fallen nature)

Cool

@Dr. Emperor Thanatos the wise define real.

@Dr. Emperor Thanatos the wise please don't rely on your opinion of the bible and Christianity on a Mormon

Who is a mormon?

Gothik

and he bases his morals on law that 18 is legal number