Message from @Maksim
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Rebellion against the father because you find his morality distasteful is not the same as him being fake
because you as a human have at some point betrayed god
the thesis is different from what you presented
dying clean dosent save you from punishment
I dont see in the Bible that that cant be cleansed with prayer
Yes. with prayer you can be forgiven
A catholic told me it was because we died without being clean
but forgiveness isnt acceptance
Point me in the bible where it talks about what you just said
genuinely curious
@ComradeChaos Again, that wasn't the reason I view him as fake, I was describing the procedure.
The procedure being something so awful mustn't be true, therefore I am motivated in my reasoning to find evidence for its falsehood
```1 John 1:9 – If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.```
```Psalm 103:10-14 – He has not punished us as we deserve for all our sins, for his mercy toward those who fear and honor him is as great as the height of the heavens above the earth. He has removed our sins as far away from us as the east is from the west. He is like a father to us, tender and sympathetic to those who reverence him. For he knows we are but dust.```
first one explains that you can be forgiven
second one helps explain this further
''He has not punished us as we deserve for all our sins, for his mercy toward those who fear and honor him is as great as the height of the heavens above the earth''
God has mercy for you if you are to accept him
but you will still be punished
God's mercy isn't necessarily expressed in the material plane
you are forgiven however and punished less than those that do not accept him
considering the implications of the bible, and its nature it most def means its about the material plain
'''He has not punished us as we deserve for all our sins''
Christians wouldn't have been persecuted if that was true.
''for his mercy ''
because God's mercy would have prevented that
what?
I dont see how that implies punishment after forgiveness
im not making that point
Its saying we deserve punishment but God has forgiven uss
@Maksim It clearly states that for those that worship god ''for all our sins, for his mercy toward those who fear and honor him is as great as the height of the heavens above the earth''
, they will be forgiven for some of their sins.'' He has not punished us as we deserve for''
The mercy of God is our salvation through his acceptance of our suffering or works
@OrthoGoat Yea and?
The inverse is being forgotten by God. Sent to the place without him
and there we go
It dosent say nor imply punsihment after forgiveness
thats my point
it literally does because it explains that there is still punishment, but less
read it
actually read it