Message from @Maksim

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2020-03-14 22:46:29 UTC  

null is another

2020-03-14 22:47:01 UTC  

thats where i think prots went wrong, interpreting forgiven as excused

2020-03-14 22:47:17 UTC  

It isnt excused

2020-03-14 22:47:26 UTC  

Your action of the sin is forgiven, but the sin itself is still

2020-03-14 22:47:27 UTC  

a sin

2020-03-14 22:47:47 UTC  

and therefore one will have to spend time in purgatory for that sin

2020-03-14 22:47:56 UTC  

Most will

2020-03-14 22:48:11 UTC  

But it is theorhetically posssible to pray for forgivness shortly before youre death

2020-03-14 22:48:18 UTC  

bad spelling, it is cold in my room

2020-03-14 22:48:38 UTC  

I = God

2020-03-14 22:48:47 UTC  

You need to think you're worthy of being forgiven

2020-03-14 22:48:47 UTC  

yes ofc, god will forgive all your sins but forgiveness isnt the goal

2020-03-14 22:48:57 UTC  

for•give•ness fər-gĭv′nĭs, fôr-►

n.
The act of forgiving; pardon.



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pardon

transitive verb
To release (a person) from punishment or disfavor for wrongdoing or a fault: synonym: forgive.

2020-03-14 22:49:01 UTC  

forgiveness is the baseline that we all receive

2020-03-14 22:49:07 UTC  

God is not I, god is we

2020-03-14 22:49:13 UTC  

No.

2020-03-14 22:49:22 UTC  
2020-03-14 22:49:29 UTC  

not in this case

2020-03-14 22:49:51 UTC  

What makes this case special?

2020-03-14 22:49:55 UTC  

forgiveness in the biblical sense reffers to forgiving the soul for sinning, but not to excuse the sin

2020-03-14 22:50:09 UTC  

Again, it isnt excusing the sin

2020-03-14 22:50:14 UTC  

its different because we missuse the word forgive

2020-03-14 22:50:18 UTC  

The sin is still bad, it dosent become "okay"

2020-03-14 22:50:41 UTC  

Yes. The soul isnt all the sudden good because he was forgiven

2020-03-14 22:50:49 UTC  

which is why he spends time in purgatory

2020-03-14 22:51:06 UTC  

purgatory more like purifier

2020-03-14 22:51:19 UTC  

I only see purgatory mentioned in macabees, which is in Apochrophya, am i mistaken?

2020-03-14 22:51:39 UTC  

To sin is to become less holy: so by extension you're separateness from others is what makes you holy.

2020-03-14 22:52:07 UTC  

the bible mentions it aswell

2020-03-14 22:52:20 UTC  

Point me towards it

2020-03-14 22:55:39 UTC  

I have many examples i wanna find one that makes it clear cause i dont have much time on my hands rn

2020-03-14 22:56:03 UTC  

Can continue later if you like @OrthoGoat

2020-03-14 22:56:09 UTC  

ill see

2020-03-14 22:58:26 UTC  

```Revelation 20:13-14
''13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.''```

2020-03-14 22:58:31 UTC  

this does a good job

2020-03-14 22:58:32 UTC  

brb

2020-03-14 23:00:47 UTC  

The sea = the void. The void spit forth the souls that were stored in it and the place where the dead were stored spit forth their memory. Each person was judged in accordance with how they lived their life.

2020-03-14 23:01:25 UTC  

Then stars become stardust and a new soul is born of them

2020-03-14 23:02:06 UTC  

Death comes to us all, and some of us get reduced down.

2020-03-14 23:06:05 UTC  

Death is part of creation