Message from @NJT44

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2020-03-21 18:55:55 UTC  

ehm depends

2020-03-21 18:56:15 UTC  

If you have an absolute dictatorship with propaganda since birth, you could (if its secular)

2020-03-21 18:56:19 UTC  

@Monty My exact thoughts

2020-03-21 18:56:51 UTC  

The morality can be achieved and it holds completely real and true

2020-03-21 18:57:05 UTC  

Ikr. The morals are still based upon the religious values

2020-03-21 18:57:25 UTC  

However, there is no intrinsic source for it except for your own belief that it would benefit society or yourself to do so

2020-03-21 18:57:36 UTC  

yeah it stems from an unjustified axiom

2020-03-21 18:58:22 UTC  

I don't think so. But then, far as I know, the closest we've had to a secular/atheistic society is in communism.

2020-03-21 18:59:05 UTC  

And is the fearful living under a communist dictatorship equal to morality? I have my doubts.

2020-03-21 19:00:59 UTC  

@Gothik Extravaganza The comparison here is false

2020-03-21 19:01:13 UTC  

There are and have been many secular societies

2020-03-21 19:01:34 UTC  

And the attrocities of the Soviets did not stem from their lack of religion, but rather their own hunger for power

2020-03-21 19:02:33 UTC  

Mexico during the Cristeros war is a prime example of an anti theist state

2020-03-21 19:03:13 UTC  

I take the Czech Republic as the closest example of a good atheistic society

2020-03-21 19:03:26 UTC  

About 20% of the Czech Republic adheres to any sort of religion

2020-03-21 19:03:38 UTC  

And yet it is one of the most developed countries in the world

2020-03-21 19:05:21 UTC  

When I hear atheistic state it basically just means apathetic low T state

2020-03-21 19:07:28 UTC  

Judging a state of religious vs non by 'developed' isn't too relevant imo

2020-03-21 19:09:57 UTC  

@Eoppa agreed.

2020-03-21 19:21:14 UTC  

@Taggart tbh, most developed countries came to stand with a strong religious background. Now many are trying to stand on their own. Time will tell if the prophets were right in saying they won't last or not. And yes, communism is a terrible comparison because it is the godless religion. It represents all what is wrong with belief systems and none that is right.

2020-03-21 19:37:49 UTC  

Almost impossible

2020-03-21 19:45:03 UTC  

I think that it is possible in theory, we would just need in place a structure to provide our people with community and morality that is large and widely followed. The problem with that is that a structure like that doesn't really exist other than religion. What would a structure like that even look like?

2020-03-21 21:06:41 UTC  

Secular/atheist morality is already being successfully practiced in many western cultures.

2020-03-21 21:07:34 UTC  

"successfully"

2020-03-21 21:17:06 UTC  

atheism is why we got into this mess

2020-03-21 21:17:35 UTC  

it doesn't explain why certain things that are bad on a societal scale are still bad things

2020-03-21 21:17:45 UTC  

"why can't I do this? I'm not hurting anyone!"

2020-03-21 21:21:10 UTC  

"successfully" shut the fuck up your jewish mindset is what has gotten us into the mess the world is in today fuck off @BorisBadenov

2020-03-21 21:24:23 UTC  

Jewish? Why do you let your imagination trigger you so. @Lekka

2020-03-21 21:25:20 UTC  

atheshits all have the same mindset of a kike, that being of materialism and a want to destroy and derazzinate

2020-03-21 21:27:06 UTC  

You’re a nut.

2020-03-21 21:28:19 UTC  

Letting your imagination control you shows what a loon you truly are.

2020-03-21 21:28:25 UTC  

> atheshits all have the same mindset of a kike, that being of materialism and a want to destroy and derazzinate
@Lekka this

2020-03-21 21:28:39 UTC  

atheists have little to no morals

2020-03-21 21:29:00 UTC  

precisely

2020-03-21 21:29:29 UTC  

Just words from the scared shitless.

2020-03-21 21:29:44 UTC  

I'm an atheist and I have a lot of morals. But I have to admit that I'm an exception, and not the rule.

2020-03-21 21:30:01 UTC  

I'm an atheist as well but the majority of them lack morals

2020-03-21 21:30:35 UTC  

thing is that religion is for the most part philosophy for the common man

2020-03-21 21:30:58 UTC  

depends what religion

2020-03-21 21:31:00 UTC  

I'm not calling the religious idiots or anything but you need some kind of guidework to develop morals