people followed jesus to do what *he* wants

Same with Hitler

Buddha, etc

That's why you just have to follow no one lmao

Nah, order and hierarchy is a must

but never worship someone

or something

voluntarily dutiful instead of blind submission

yeah like bdsm

It's pretty naive to think that there is a man on a cloud/spirit realm/warriors hall/divine location that cares what **you** do.

why? imagine being a god, i'd be bored to death

Imagine having free will and not using it.

there's a reaosn he created us

No there isn't.

Or if there is, nobody on earth knows it.

Nor can possibly know it

if you think you decide everything you do, you're one of the herd.

Ad hominen.

If you think X, you're a Y.

Not ad hominen, my bad.

False equivilancy.

Bro, there's an argument in there.

It's not "If you believe in god, you're stupid."

You always have a master

Yes it is.

If you're smart, you won't deify men and make them yours

But that when you think you decide everything, you're vulnerable to Propaganda and Manipulation.

@Spider Sutra I just got back. Let me catch up first.

You're more susceptible if you have one source.

It's like being a naive kid that never entertains the possibility that all his wants are forged.

One holy book

@Gothik Extravaganza yeah of course, want to move to serious?

Yes, what idiot only has one book?

There are right answers and there are wrong answers in life: our ability to discern between them and choose the right answer isn't the absence of choice or free will but an affirmation that your will is true

One book, one pantheon, one anything

Okay, that doesn't relate to my argument.

"This is true. - But this is also true". Okay? now what

Perennialism is also a thing too. That, by definition doesn't have one singular authoritative holy book

@ComradeChaos shush

@Spider Sutra nah. I'm enjoying watching the Hindu and the Odinist put the atheist in his place.

@Gothik Extravaganza do you want to chat in this same channel or wait to talk altogether?