what, no. you literally cant be a liberal without being a capitalist you moron. the word liberalism gave birth to the modern use of liberal as a noun

You certainly don't know what liberalism is, non-moron.

Liberalism is a political and also moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law.

Damn, things getting spicy already.

Yes, there are many salty and edgy people here, but personally I'm used to them.

Well, glad to see your more or less normal.

:)

The last server mods were very socialist in views.

But majority were communists under 18 whose perception of life was shaped by ideals rather than reality.

What the fuck does that even mean

That's one more or less stable characteristic of all communists, to be honest.

"shaped by ideals rather than reality"
Libertarianism basses itself off of ideals lol

I think America is very conservative. I grew up in a Italian/ Hispanic ghettoe, so most of the people had traditional values there.

Ideals which are very close to reality, and can be very well achieved.

What does "very close to reality" mean

I'm not so sure about that, tbh. It depends on the state. @Greg Noir

New York isn't conservative at all.

And Americans in general are more or less... mixed, let's say.

Right, like I know New York permits gay marriage.

I heard the bigger cities were pretty left.

they are

Yes, it's true.

But dont know much about American politics.

To what extension do you think Liberty was meant by the founding fathers?

Anyway, there was one specific thing I wanted to discuss by joining this server. Not necessarily reaffirm myself but more to get a perspective from the other side.

@Memovita That's the Presidential Election Map of 2016. As you can see, most big cities voted for Hillary.

And what is that thing?

It has to do with immigration within my current place of Canada.

Interesting. Yet, Trump still somehow won the general election?

@Greg Noir electoral college

Oh.

in terms of numbers hillary won by over 2 million

@Memovita How are things with immigration there?

Well, this opinion got me called an ethnostate racist. So I'm guessing it ain't the nicest outlook.

But I'm very open to having my mind changed.

Well, I mean immigration is good only when it benefits the state, obviously. But I haven't read enough about Canada and immigration to Canada to judge whether Canada's policies on immigration are right or wrong.

But you're free to state your opinion in this server, as long as it doesn't violate Discord's ToS.

Alright. Heres fine? Or is there a place for these sorts things.

just say it ffs

It's fine here.

it's fine anywhere tbh.