Message from @Scholarly Wisent
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therefore should have no reason to fight back like animals
That leaves us back to the question of what material drive places human ownership over plant and animal ownership?
Plants are not sentient.
Animals don't have morals.
"by your own logic you are suggesting B but now you are contradicting yourself by supporting A when it best suits you" No. Since we are at the top, we can make these decisions. Should something be superior to us, we are no longer in authority. We can still fight back though.
but the aliens means we aren't on top anymore
so fighting back is not righteous
Righteousness is irrelevant.
Therefore your basing your argument on personal whim
no
yes you are
no, I am not
you're only arguing because it nows suits you best
to argue
We already established this, the base instinct of any living being is to reproduce and survive. This means they do not want it at least on a bare level.
rather than because you believe it is righteous
Want being used for lack of a better word.
So that brings us back to the question of what places our ownership over animals and plants.
@🌼Kalina🌹🌸🌹Zay🌹🌸🌹Scott🌼 No, I am not.
Perhaps ownership is not involved at all.
well then argue from an argument of righteousness which you said was 'humans are superior'
@Scholarly Wisent ???????????????????????
Did you even read a single word I said?
we did and we're logically dissecting it and discovering that it doesn't stand to scrutiny
we're asking you for an argument which is different that *does* stand up to scrutiny
"It was a hypothetical argument to cannibalism. We afford more ownership to humans than animals in every instance aside from criminals."
Hypothetical humour in response to your poke at my joke
If ownership is not involved, then we are back on the drawing board for what defines cannibalism as wrong but not eating plants and animals.
Which may as well be simply argued as morality but that leads to many more barriers of pure arbitrary.
Are the communists arguing in favor of cannibalism?
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No we aren't you idiot.
An Elbow pretty much did though
no we're not
we're trying to logically dissect an argument
sometimes to really test a belief you have to put it to its moral extremes because humans tend to change their mind at that point and act morally inconsistent
Oof
I wasn’t accusing you of doing so I was asking because I’m not going to read an argument I wasn’t involved in
@Ben Garrison tl;dr sumarry
an elbow:
Humans should eat animals because we're superior and that's objective
Me and Wisent:
How are humans objectively superior?
add in some random thought experiment about *what if there's something superior to us*
I don’t think it’s difficult to argue the superiority of humans but that’s hardly a reason to eat animals
I mean a better argument would be something objective and something people cannot disagree with such as we need to eat animals for our very survival and all biological species prioritize their own self-preservation.
@Donaldus Triumphus donald trump did peace all right
He should get nobel peace prize