alright

so we were talking about why socialism doesn't work

and I went offtopic and ranted about chernobyl

now chernobyl

is an example

that shows us how dysfunctional the SU and their ideology was

I wouldn't say it was the cause of socialism, it was the direct cause of incorrect human planning, poor assembly and the incompetency of the workers

which is a cause of socialism

if it was a power play of socialism the what happened in Japan then?

although it was caused by a tsunami

japan was a different story you see,

because chernobyl was not hit by a tsunami

true, but I disagree that its mutually exclusive to socialism

not exclusive, but some of the most preventable mistakes happened due to socialism

how so

i doubt poor planning and the incompetency of the workers had to do with socialism, that woolen t be the case

for example when they failed to inform anyone of the incident, when the staff was poorly trained

of course it did

so where exactly does socialism indicate to train workers poorly, as well as to not inform the international community and secrecy?

that was poor leadership

which is due to socialism

almost every leader aftee brezhnev was due to poor leadership, these leaders were dying anyway, the SU needed a new generation of leaders, not socialism

they still lived during the revolution you see

they needed a new generation of leaders, yuri andropov was the last hope to reform the Union

under putin, Chernobyl would have never happened

for example

because in a capitalist democracy, people care about money

they don't need to in communism

no as I said, incompetency of a specific group of workers isn't a cause of a economic system

it is

communism has no money, why do you need money when you have achieved post scarcity? @𝕡𝕦𝕘𝕤𝕪 𝕥𝕙𝕖 ducc

it's because their wages do not depend on how good their work is

lol, I disagree with their fixed wage system, but again, it was a few wrong reforms.

yeah that's it, dismiss it as a few bad reforms

no, during the 60s, there was this huge debate on how to reform the economy, it was a piece-wage system which depended on short term intensive growth periods to sustain itself

a few leaders fucked up, and the collapse of the Union began to show itself in the late 70s, which isn't the product of socialism, but poor leadership

there would be poor leadership regardless of any system, its not exclusive to socialism

just imagine a system in which bad reforms mean catastrophic nuclear fallout<:FalloutTrump:475766832117186560>

yea and so?

alr said it wasn't mutually exclusive

the USA did some pretty horrible things to.