Message from @ibm30rpg

Discord ID: 509635120014163969


2018-11-07 07:44:28 UTC  

It will eventually come again. And it will eventually fail again.

2018-11-07 07:44:31 UTC  

okay guys, one by one please, don't gangbang me

2018-11-07 07:44:45 UTC  

what are your questions about socialism and your doubts?

2018-11-07 07:44:48 UTC  

@Leiro レイロ You'd like that wouldn't you

2018-11-07 07:44:54 UTC  

like what?

2018-11-07 07:45:10 UTC  

how would you get paid more under socialism?

2018-11-07 07:45:10 UTC  

ah forget about it, you didn't catch on

2018-11-07 07:45:30 UTC  

If you are a doctor, for example, who is already making more than anyone else.

2018-11-07 07:45:38 UTC  

Rightfully so

2018-11-07 07:45:51 UTC  

@ibm30rpg under socialism your paid according to socially necessary labour time, under capitalism the bourgeois extracts surplus value from the workers, so you earn less under socialism

2018-11-07 07:45:56 UTC  

Socialism depends on human kindness, which is a fantasy. Capitalism depends on human greed, which is human.

2018-11-07 07:45:59 UTC  

there is no wage labour or surplus value in socialism

2018-11-07 07:46:21 UTC  

@ibm30rpg the argument isn't about who gets paid more, we are only concerned about the bourgeois

2018-11-07 07:46:35 UTC  

hmm...

2018-11-07 07:46:55 UTC  

people would get paid more, that's a fact unless you live in a egalitarian hellhole

2018-11-07 07:47:01 UTC  

I don't support that either

2018-11-07 07:47:18 UTC  

So would you be anti-big corporation, like anti-Google, for example?

2018-11-07 07:47:42 UTC  

corporations like Google regularly censor conservative movements because they serve the interests of certain groups

2018-11-07 07:47:44 UTC  

Egalitarian is good..

2018-11-07 07:47:47 UTC  

Socialism also gets rid of competition, which is basically why capitalism does so well

2018-11-07 07:48:01 UTC  

I think it would be nice to have more competition.

2018-11-07 07:48:01 UTC  

You know to me, socialism prepares for communism

2018-11-07 07:48:13 UTC  

but in order to get so successful to start socialism to begin with, you need capitalism

2018-11-07 07:48:26 UTC  

@TheBestGangster that's historical materialism

2018-11-07 07:48:31 UTC  

you need capitalism first before socialism

2018-11-07 07:48:34 UTC  

that's a fact

2018-11-07 07:48:42 UTC  

since capitalism is so badass

2018-11-07 07:48:49 UTC  

socialism, oof

2018-11-07 07:48:56 UTC  

Well, capitalism is transitionary, it's inevitable we would move to socialism

2018-11-07 07:48:57 UTC  

should've told me

2018-11-07 07:49:10 UTC  

capitalism will fail someday, it isn't too far in the future

2018-11-07 07:49:16 UTC  

there are a few contradictions of capitalism

2018-11-07 07:49:31 UTC  

o rly

2018-11-07 07:49:51 UTC  

yes, the main two being automation/innovation and the TRPF.

2018-11-07 07:50:56 UTC  

since yall aren't blasting reactionary propaganda I shall answer your questions lads

2018-11-07 07:51:00 UTC  

ask anything

2018-11-07 07:51:23 UTC  

automation actually encourages more competition and an advancement in technology

2018-11-07 07:51:31 UTC  

which is in a sense a good thing

2018-11-07 07:51:45 UTC  

automation drives down profit margins, and to sustain profit margins you need population growth

2018-11-07 07:52:09 UTC  

so eventually capitalism will hit a plateau where its no longer profitable to invest in innovation even if its for the general good

2018-11-07 07:52:51 UTC  

because goods require less labour-time to be produced, and with a abundance in commodities this drives down prices, which drives down profit margins