or normative systems

And that's fine.

But the trap is thinking you're the only logical person....and it's every one else whos irrational

Which is really what causes so much division. We think the other side is full of idiots and our side is generally pretty okay

very few people think that

The Red Team Blue Team phenomenah is one of the most powerful

most people are aware that they are irrational to a degree

Once you belong to a tribe.....oof. forget about it

I wish that were true man. I really o

do*

I mean obviously not many people think they're infallible

I agree with that

it's that they think they're rational 90 percent of the time and irrational 10 percent of the time

Unless you realize that the opposite is true....

Here's the really crazy part, ready?

Unless you realize that humans are irrational almost all of the time....you'll never ever be persuasive

That's like....step one

fair enough, but in the end it depends on the context

you can be persuasive on the merit of how logical you are such as constructing an argument that is sound

maybe not in face to face interactions

Nope, facts never persuade anyone

Because everyone has their own facts

If you convince someone though a debate or something like that....it's because you did something else to convicne them

Like, you were more well spoken, or your tie was red and your opponent had a bowtie

Literally

I disagree

those things are important

I know you do lol

but if your statements dont follow logical order then people will point it out

and make you look like a retard

You would think right?

One time I was watching a debate

And it was against two people...I forget who. But it was two really smart people, and it was a smart crowd...you know, smart people doing smart things

kek you sound like trump

The first debater came really well prepared. Like, he was a smart guy who knew his stuff and was comfortable with logic and debate

The second debater was smart too

He knew as much as the other guy

okay but lets say the second guy knew jack shit

But then...the second guy stole the show when he made a joke about his opponent being bald

No hold on

The very second the topic was about that guy being bald...it wasn't so much that being bald is bad...its that the second debater made a joke