Message from @εïз irma εïз
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Yeah, I don't think there's a lot of parallel between Trump who was anti-establishment being harassed and heckled by the CNN, furthering his popularity, and Avenatti who is being basically forced on an increasingly disillusioned viewership that's increasingly becoming smaller and more radical (CNN namely).
But if you want to scream like a child and call anyone who disagrees with you a dipshit, that's your prerogative.
We'll see in 2020.
St. Jerome said that an arrow never lodges in a stone, it often recoils upon the sender.
It isn't a hard concept to grasp on why Avenatti is literally considering a run for the Presidency, and it's 100% because of Trump's election and what (in the progressives' view) as a sickening and degrading tyrant sitting in the Oval Office
I think it has more to do with the entire liberal media urging him on than Trump becoming president.
Tell me, if literally anything, would've provoked Avenatti to consider such a run, I'll wait
The entire liberal media urging him on.
And the liberal media wouldn't be urging him to run had Trump not been elected
correct?
Nor would they give a shit about who he is
Yeah, but that's not because Trump was a celebrity. It's because he was crude and opposed to the liberal media.
So no, the precedent wasn't really set.
Avenatti isn't thinking "if he's a celebrity and I'm a celebrity that means I can run", he's a part of the reaction.
Obviously Trump couldn't have run as an establishment politician because being anti-establishment was his message but if he hypothetically was it would be the exact same thing playing out.
He's a celebrity and part of that sentiment other than his distate for the so called "elites" is part of what propelled him to the white house
Read above.
Im referring to Trump
Yes, read above.
Trump being a celebrity is a nonfactor.
Avenatti thinks he can run because the liberal media are pushing him to.
It kinda is, Avenatti isn't running because he has a celebrity status, he's running to just give the finger to Trump because of the total amount of animosity Trump gets for his outrageous actions and statements from the White House
Correct, but that's not the same thing at all as saying Avenatti is running because he thinks celebrities can now become president because Trump, the most recent president, is a celebrity. Those are two different lines of reasoning. 🤦
The push from the left urging him to run is a cause yes
Sure, man. Tell that to other celebrities and silicon valley leaders considering a presidential run because of what Trump was able to pull off in 2016
But.. wasn't Trump, a celebrity, repeatedly boasting that he would run for president several election cycles before he did?
Celebrities saying they're going to run for president is not a new thing, not at all.
Rarely does it materialize.
It materialized with Reagan and Trump.
But claims to that effect are not rare.
Yeah, its not, but Trump's election is simply bolstering that sentiment that celebrities can be President
And saying Avenatti is a celebrity in the same vein as Trump is incorrect because Avenatti is only a celebrity by virtue of being a part of the reaction against Trump.
I never said he was a full blown celebrity
But that was the crux of your argument, that celebrities can now run left and right.
I said he had a celebrity status or reputation among Hollywood and the entertainment industry
Yeah, he's at the forefront of the news so I guess that's being a "celebrity" but that's not even comparable.
They awarded him that status for opposing Trump
You haven't told me anything convincing or that holds water. You're entitled to your opinion, I have stuff to do. Sorry dude.
Pretty much that Trump's election has opened a political pandora's box to other unconventional runs that America deserves for electing this reality show into the oval office in 2016
America reaps what it sows