the lobbiests did, the congress didnt

and all of the socialized systems arent expensive, outside of taxes being outrageous, quality of care well thats down to doctors, and efficiency isnt cost it is how well you are treated for the cost

and that cost is too high

I meant efficiency for an average citizen to get care. obviously canada is an example of how it doesn't work efficiently, but canada is also often ranked around the us in terms of efficiency so it's not a great comparison for a shining example of socialized healthcare

well how about uuuuu Norway

high ass taxes

extreme some might say

just because of universal healthcare

healthcare costs in the US are more expensive than in norway

as of 2010

but for the average Norwegian, its high as shite

higher for americans tho

in comparison

yes

I earn $300 almost thirty of it gone to taxes, around 45% gone to taxes in norway

though less money

higher percentage

ok, doesn't seem like an issue then

not seeing your point

because the average norwegian makes less

but more money is gone

mhm, and has to pay less because hospital visits are free

but how often do they visit the hospital?

well, it's one of those things that disproportionately affects a small group of sick people right

like some people really need it, but not a huge percentage

so the median vs average diff is going to be big

not the vast majority

no definitely not

but the minority is really in need ya feel, that's just how medicine works

It costs more for almost all Norwegians to accomodate hospital visits for those that need it

yup, socialized

helping the weak and in need

because it's kind to do

a disproportionate amount of their money

gone

and for some, a disproportionate amount of their money saved

because that's the luck of the draw right?

because the sicker cannot afford, and could do other things to make money and save it

could they

yes

http://www.pnhp.org/mortality